JSC Indianapolis in 1:400

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  1. Darwin

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    Ed, I've been following your string fairly closely, since the Indy is one of the kits on my to-do list for upscaling to 1:250. It got pushed back because I managed to get ahold of the Wilhelmshaven kits, but it may have moved forward in the que again (at least for one small portion of it). The turrets are not supposed to look like Quanset huts, and looking at the JSC kit, your build is not at fault....this has got to be one of the most badly botched designs I have so far run across in the JSC line. I think I see where the problem is, and have a few ideas on how to correct it. Maurice, if you're still out there, do you have a link to some decent drawings of the Indianapolis' turrets? Based on the photos I've been able to locate, the turret design of the Indy doesn't look too very different from that of the Helena, so if push comes to shove, I can maybe use that redesign work as a starting point, and back-engineer it to 1:400. As nicely as your build has been coming along up to this point, I'd hate to think of you being stuck with those turrets.

    Here is a photo I ran across to use as a reference.....I think I can come up with some improved parts over the weekend. I sure can't do a whole lot worse than the JSC rendering.
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    Ed, I've been following your string fairly closely, since the Indy is one of the kits on my to-do list for upscaling to 1:250. It got pushed back because I managed to get ahold of the Wilhelmshaven kits, but it may have moved forward in the que again (at least for one small portion of it). The turrets are not supposed to look like Quanset huts, and looking at the JSC kit, your build is not at fault....this has got to be one of the most badly botched designs I have so far run across in the JSC line. I think I see where the problem is, and have a few ideas on how to correct it. Maurice, if you're still out there, do you have a link to some decent drawings of the Indianapolis' turrets? Based on the photos I've been able to locate, the turret design of the Indy doesn't look too very different from that of the Helena, so if push comes to shove, I can maybe use that redesign work as a starting point, and back-engineer it to 1:400. As nicely as your build has been coming along up to this point, I'd hate to think of you being stuck with those turrets.

    Here is a photo I ran across to use as a reference.....I think I can come up with some improved parts over the weekend. I sure can't do a whole lot worse than the JSC rendering.
  3. emayday

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    Darwin.....

    Quanset huts....yea, that's a great description. I like that. I agree with that evaluation and am definitely open to any suggestion for improvement. I'm not at the level yet of being able to design, re-scale, etc...so I'll be all eyes and ears to improve these funky turrets. Thanks for your input and I will look fwd to your help in the solution to this problem.
  4. emayday

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    Darwin.....

    Quanset huts....yea, that's a great description. I like that. I agree with that evaluation and am definitely open to any suggestion for improvement. I'm not at the level yet of being able to design, re-scale, etc...so I'll be all eyes and ears to improve these funky turrets. Thanks for your input and I will look fwd to your help in the solution to this problem.
  5. Maurice

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    Dar

    I am and I don't but there is an indecent one here
    http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/2004_01/Draw/30.jpg

    but taken together
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n70000/n76908.jpg
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n70000/n76911.jpg
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n40000/n47570.jpg
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h53000/h53233.jpg
    all on links from
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-i/ca35.htm

    clearly show that the turrets of this class were similar to those of the early US 8" cruisers. Several of the corners were rounded and the roof plate was slightly curved.
    The move to solely sharp corners and flat facets seems to have started with the later New Orleans class.
    JSC haven't done very well in their interpretation but Helana's turrets wouldn't be right either and their sides were also partly curved in the vertical plane.

    Nice build Ed, I'm following it closely.
    Give me 5 (unspecified units) and I'll see what I can come up with for the developed shapes.

    Cheers
    Maurice
  6. Maurice

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    Dar

    I am and I don't but there is an indecent one here
    http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/2004_01/Draw/30.jpg

    but taken together
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n70000/n76908.jpg
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n70000/n76911.jpg
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n40000/n47570.jpg
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h53000/h53233.jpg
    all on links from
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-i/ca35.htm

    clearly show that the turrets of this class were similar to those of the early US 8" cruisers. Several of the corners were rounded and the roof plate was slightly curved.
    The move to solely sharp corners and flat facets seems to have started with the later New Orleans class.
    JSC haven't done very well in their interpretation but Helana's turrets wouldn't be right either and their sides were also partly curved in the vertical plane.

    Nice build Ed, I'm following it closely.
    Give me 5 (unspecified units) and I'll see what I can come up with for the developed shapes.

    Cheers
    Maurice
  7. Darwin

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    Thanks, Maurice. I wish I knew how you keep those links sorted out. Ed, PM me with your email address and I'll send you a copy of the replacement turret file. It's sized to print out on letter paper at 150 dpi resolution.
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    Thanks, Maurice. I wish I knew how you keep those links sorted out. Ed, PM me with your email address and I'll send you a copy of the replacement turret file. It's sized to print out on letter paper at 150 dpi resolution.
  9. emayday

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    Thanx Darwin.......

    These unfinished barrels are toothpics shaped with a sanding stick in a dremel tool. They are not mounted permanently since I hope to change the (quanset hut) turret shape.

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    Thanx Darwin.......

    These unfinished barrels are toothpics shaped with a sanding stick in a dremel tool. They are not mounted permanently since I hope to change the (quanset hut) turret shape.

    [​IMG]

    click pic to enlarge
  11. emayday

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    Here are three views of the much improved turret....thanx to Darwin and his magical transformation. Maybe (if we're nice), he'll show us how he did that! Obviously the original quanset hut JSC turret on left in No.1 position, and Darwins re-design on the right......much more true to the 1/1. So great to have a web site where one can get this kind of help from your fellow modelers. Thanx again Darwin.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    Here are three views of the much improved turret....thanx to Darwin and his magical transformation. Maybe (if we're nice), he'll show us how he did that! Obviously the original quanset hut JSC turret on left in No.1 position, and Darwins re-design on the right......much more true to the 1/1. So great to have a web site where one can get this kind of help from your fellow modelers. Thanx again Darwin.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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  13. emayday

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    Darwin has also contributed a download of the Indy turret shown here in 2 different views. I really would like an opinion from you cruiser buffs out there regarding which you think more represents the 1/1. Keep in mind that neither turret is in its finished state....I just want to test the general shape for accuracy.

    My hat's off to both you guys for taking the time to help with this.

    Next two photos above are both turrets side by side.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

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  14. emayday

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    Darwin has also contributed a download of the Indy turret shown here in 2 different views. I really would like an opinion from you cruiser buffs out there regarding which you think more represents the 1/1. Keep in mind that neither turret is in its finished state....I just want to test the general shape for accuracy.

    My hat's off to both you guys for taking the time to help with this.

    Next two photos above are both turrets side by side.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    click pic to enlarge
  15. emayday

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    Here are both turrets, side by side. Do YOU have a preference?

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    If it weren't for Darwin and Maurice, I'd be stuck with the original turrets, which were quite unexceptable, so a huge hats off and thanks the these guys.

    The barrels again, are toothpics turned in my Dremel tool. Next...to try rolled paper barrels.
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    Here are both turrets, side by side. Do YOU have a preference?

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    If it weren't for Darwin and Maurice, I'd be stuck with the original turrets, which were quite unexceptable, so a huge hats off and thanks the these guys.

    The barrels again, are toothpics turned in my Dremel tool. Next...to try rolled paper barrels.
  17. Maurice

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    Ed

    Let me speak softly of hard things.
    Do you seriously imagine for one moment that Darwin and I do not have our agents everywhere and that anyone who expresses a preference is not dead eitherway, their families too most likely.

    You get to choose which you use.:D

    Cheers
    Maurice
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    Ed

    Let me speak softly of hard things.
    Do you seriously imagine for one moment that Darwin and I do not have our agents everywhere and that anyone who expresses a preference is not dead eitherway, their families too most likely.

    You get to choose which you use.:D

    Cheers
    Maurice
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    Maurice and Darwin.....Thanx....

    I am the dead man, plz accept my most humble apologies.

    Everyone else.........disregard the choice...I will choose, and be thankful to have the choice.

    Regards...Ed
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    Maurice and Darwin.....Thanx....

    I am the dead man, plz accept my most humble apologies.

    Everyone else.........disregard the choice...I will choose, and be thankful to have the choice.

    Regards...Ed