Small but nice fishing boat...

[zathros]

I took a pic of a drydock in Boston on a recent road trip that fits both your thread contributions!


Also, the stern of a nearby ship I spied in the twenty degree weather...




Too bad more paper model schooners aren't available. They were staple of shipping, piracy, and privateering for decades...

They are extremely labor intensive to run and maintain, especially if just sitting there, these ships do better when working, they tend to rot sitting in Harbors without fresh saltwater keeping their hulls clean. Scrapping the Barnacles off of one of these things is a nightmare, and they greatly affect the boats sailing speed. They are a beauty to behold though. Most modern designs use a Sharpie Hull with a Schooner type rigging. This allows for easy maintenance, trailer capable, I've seen a pretty massive one being towed. It had spotter vehicles, and a massive hinged keel. The keel probably weighted a ton.

The pic below, to me, representative of many of the modern schooner designs boats which can partially plane. These boats are very fast, not the best upwind, but make up for it on reaches and downwind hauls.

A model of a Schooner in paper wouldn't be hard, I just never figured anyone would built one if I made it. I have a tutorial on this forum on how to make a Sharpie Hull in Rhino, but could not keep the interests of the people following it. The Hulls are basically the same, you can add more chines, add more beam and waterline length. I have seen people beach 30 foot versions of these boats, with the centerboard up, and only be knee deep in the water. Not Suzanne though, I bet her keel is really deep.



This picture is described a Schooner Porn (Suzanne):

 

[THE DC]

Yea, it would be cool. I Mentioned before that a good plastic one, called Sandpiper, was done by Lindberg, as it represented a craft style used through out the revolutionary - 1812 periods and beyond.

These craft were a staple of mercantile efforts off the coast and a favorite of blockade runners, bootleggers, pirates, and privateers, due to their shallow drafts and speed. Both were needed in coastal waters when avoiding patrol ships.

 

[THE DC]

Hey!

A mother modeler suggested a useful link:





http://www.isolda.info/kajutahistorier.asp






It's not the right era or type, but I might see if I can alter it? Sort of a custom build?

Hmmm?


Hope it will be useful others as well...



Enjoy...

 

[THE DC]

Here's another that someone else suggested:


http://from-paper.com/en/news/marin...oner-america-american-cruiser-yacht-1851.html



Its about 50 years off but a bit closer.

Hope it is interesting...

 

[zathros]

The "Sandpiper" is technically a "Topsail Schooner", having the square sail up top. This was an inefficient design. Of course, back then, the transition from square rigs to gaff type rigging often included ships that a miss-mosh of sails. The "Isolda" is a wonderful model, the ship has a rich history. The "America" was a fantastic ship, winning the America's Cup, her place in history secured. Kutters were easier to handle and is why they replaced schooners, having one large mast and huge sail, Marconi rigged, with multiple Genoa's, which can be self tending, they have excellent windward capability.

If you want to build one of the era you describe, the hull would have many compound curves, as that's how they built them at that time. steaming them into shape, and much sanding. It can be done in paper, but you can get a really nice looking model using a Sharpie style Hull with a Schooner rig, (A ketch or Yawl version would be sweet!).


The ship below was a typical schooner hull of that period (This one is from 1812). The "Granger". (Lofting this would take a few hours at least, and that includes no deck fittings or sails. This is why I saw go "Sharpie"):

 

[zathros]

Something like the Sharpie below would make an excellent model, look excellent, and be much easier to loft. You could rig it however you wish. This is a Chapelle design, a noteworthy designer.

 

[zathros]

I modeled a similar Sharpie some years back. This one is only 27 feet long, but in actuality, Sharpies can be made any length, and with wide beams. With a Schooner rig, they are quite beautiful and exemplary performers, able to do things schooners of the past could not dream of.
(This is one I am considering building):
Same boat, different colors :

 

[THE DC]

What era is the one your designing?

 

[zathros]

These Chapelle designs are from 1941, but sharpies date years earlier. I think a Sharpie Hull with a Schooner rig would be a beautiful model, and you can make the deck cabins however you wish. It depends on how long you want it. The design I am doing is a Cross between Chapelle design and the design I saw for a 1884 North Carolina Sharpie.

A very pretty small Sharpie schooner, perfect for sailing along the shore, and able to because of it's shallow draft.




North Carolina 1884 Sharpie Design:

 

[THE DC]

Looks good.

A small but lean craft.

 

[zathros]

You wouldn't believe how much weight these boats could carry. They also have a very high initial stability, which has them sailing on their feet. There's more than enough time with the sails, to prevent any capsizing. Very similar to the New Haven Sharpie in design, these boats now plow the waterways of the world. The downside is that they have replaced many indigenous craft, which were much harder to make, but to the guy making his living on a broad river, he needs something that can be handled by one person, easily Hove to, and can carry a large payload. The rigging of the older boats, like wishbone sails, has remained though, showing the versatility of these boats.

The boat above was 42' long, which seems long, but considering in only had a 9' beam at it's widest part, made this a fast boat. Only 2' feet of draft! Easy to stand on the Oyster banks, and fill your boat up. Another Chappelle design.

 

[THE DC]

2"!!!


I use to sail a 6" duck boat off the coast of Florida that was merely half that!


I can't disagree with you about the sails of the old 1812 schooner being inefficient, given current knowledge, but you have to admire the men who manned those schooner, with sometimes 12 canon, standing up against British warships either as runners or even rive defense boats.

They were an elegant craft. I am wondering bout modifying some of the kits I shared earlier to make a paper Sandpiper??? I could use black paper for the upper hull and not depend upon ink for the effect?

 

[lizzienewell]

I understand they were amazing at the time because they only needed twelve men. That's a huge advancement, with a smaller crew, there is more space for cargo or for food and water, depending on the purpose of the journey. Oh wait sorry. I got clipper mixed up with schooner. The clipper had only 12 men.

 

[zathros]

I used to sail a 10 Meter Pearson by myself. It had roller furling on the 150 Genoa and a fully battened mainsail. The 5'9" final keep mean that you were always on the wheel, but the ship could really sail windward, and was fast on a reach. In actuality I could go out with 5 people and end up still doing everything by myself as most just didn't get sailboats. At least they did the cooking, and could grab the ropes when it came to docking!! Landlubbers.

 

[THE DC]

Many of these schooners struggled against Lake Michigan's weather, not always successfully.

 

[zathros]

I'm getting the itch to design a sharpie schooner. The practical side wants to design something for the protected waters I would use it on, the adventurous side wants to make something more modern, and capable of coastal cruising, would would be very hard with my back in it's present condition, but would make better model. SoundWaters is one huge Sharpie. A 3 masted schooner? It's the hul I like, she could be rigged as a conventional schooner with larger sails.


18 Foot Schooner PuzzledMulet:



With centerboard down:

 

[THE DC]

Fine looking craft!


Looking forward to it!

 

[THE DC]

I was hunting for the 1812 armed schooner tonight and came across this:

https://www.4shared.com/document/bc-DfI8t/graf_miranda.html




Its not what I was searching but seemed a nice find, so I thought I'd share.

 

[zathros]

I have that one. I've thought about removing the cabin structures and give the ship some nice lines with knee high deck openings for light and air, atypical type structures, then you would have a nice looking waterline model. Personally, I don't like water line models, you never know what is under there. That was why I didn't built it.

Around thirty five years ago, my former girlfriend's mom wanted a waterline model of a sloop. I said I would do it but it had to have a full hull. I made the Hull out of fiberglass, with full radio controls components, it cost me a fortune. I then cut a sheet of plexiglass and using a soldering iron, cut out a rough opening for the water line. After I sanded it, I used a transparent blue paint and painted both sides, mounted the four corners on Brass Rods, at around a 15 degree tilt, and placed the boat in the "waterline cut out" I had made. I had the keys to her house, and put it on her living room table. She was dumbstruck. The fact that she could see the full hull of the Class "A" sloop, with Brass propeller, full keep, and rudder blew her mid. When I removed the center deck portion and showed her the radio digital proportional servos, she freaked out. She said it would never touch the water. I gave her the radio in case she changed her mind (I also removed the batteries so they wold not corrode anything. In the boat, I just disconnected the NiCad battery pack (different era). From what I understood, until she moved, she had it on display right where I put it.


This was the person who gave me the keys to her 10 meter Pearson, and let me sail it. I did the maintenance, and could take it out, what a deal!!! Even after her daughter and I broke up, we maintained a great relationship, until I met my present wife. Her daughter wanted me back, but that ship had sailed the port, and though I lost access to the Pearson as there was stress between the two of them, of which I did not want to get involved, I am at sea in a much better situation, sans boat, but with a shipmate for life, and wife to boot, (Got a son out of the deal too, and he's my son)!!

It's a pretty boat, redo the superstructures, and put cloth sails, and you could have a nice display piece. It' has three masts, I thought you wanted too. I was looking for something I could loft with two masts. If that's not an issue, like I said, I have an itch to make a boat. I wanted a two master, maybe a top sail schooner, or even a double marconi rigged one, lots of rigs to choose from.

 

[zathros]

I found the .3dm of the same Sharpie with a Kutter rig. It is the above )and above the, in the loft picture, but with a different deck arrangement. I have made some many variations of this boat with the idea of making a real one, but my son's interests turned out different than mine. It sucks having a 17 year old who basically has no interest in picking up a tool, though we did a brake job on two Subaru Legacys, Rotors, and Brakes pads, including jacking up the cars and taking off the tires, in less than one hour. We did one wheel in 15 minutes, and it had a stuck caliper slider! Oh well, he is an incredible writer, and gifted in other areas.