weird ballast

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  1. Xaniel

    Xaniel Member

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    hello guys,

    i have a question that might seem dumb...

    i'm doing some experiments on how to ballast track, and i used the old fashiond glue/water solution...

    now that the ballast is dry i looks like everything except ballast...
    What is wrong? i'll try to have a pic soon.
  2. billk

    billk Active Member

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    Hey Luis - What did it look like? Did you prewet the ballast with "wet water" - that is, water with a little soap or alcohol added - to allow your water/glue mixture to soak in instead of just stay on top?
  3. Xaniel

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    i have added three or four dorps of dish washer liquid to the mixture... at least that's how i've benn taught...
  4. Vic

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    Hi Luis, Please post you picture as soon a possible. One of us will be able to tell you what went wrong as soon as we can see it.
  5. Tyson Rayles

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    Got me stumped Luis, like Vic says if you can post a photo it would help.
  6. Woodie

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    Luis,

    Did you put this post in before you let it dry out? It can look pretty awful and like you've made a horrible mess while it's covered in the white goo of the glue. Or pehaps the grain size of the ballast you are using is too large? Perhaps used too little ballast maybe? I can't really think of anything else other than that.

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  7. Drew1125

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    Hey Woodie,
    You, of all people should be entering that photo vontest!
  8. Tyson Rayles

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    Charlie I agree Woodie really ought to enter. While Woodie is a great modeler and photographer as we all know, we also need to see the "down under" represented! :) We have a English layout entered and a bunch in N. America but none from Woodie's part of the world :( . Course we don't have anybody from ol' Kentuck either! :D :p :D
  9. Drew1125

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    Yeah, I know...
    We're renowned for bein' a lil' bit slow..,. :D

    btw...sorry for "derailing" this thread! :eek: :rolleyes:

    Luis,
    Woodie may have perceived your problem...It's hard to believe that what looks at first like spilt milk can turn into nice dry ballast...
    What are you using for ballast? Is it commercial ballast? sand? Dirt?
  10. Woodie

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    Gee, Thanks guys for the comments about Garahbara and piccies and stuff. Yep. I'll be putting one in, but you've already seen most of the good ones I've got. Gotta "borrow that camera" again in the next day or so. And set up a couple of pics properly, rather than just rush, point & click!

    Yeah, with regard to the glue stuff, I was horrified as to what I'd done when I first did some ballasting, and especially the scenic stuff. Looked like there had been a blizzard or something, with all the white glue! The next day, however, it came up beautifully, and stuck like the proverbial to the blanket!:eek:
  11. Xaniel

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    this is how the ballast is. it has a very pasty and weird looking.

    two questions...

    what ballast colour should i use? something clear, or dark? grey?

    how are double track ballasted in USA? (looks kinda silly question doesn't it?)
  12. Xaniel

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    duh :( forgot the pic!!!

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  13. RI541

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    How much glue did you use in the water?

    Most use 50/50 but I've gone down to 25 glue/75water with good results.

    somebody will figure it out, theres at least one person here thats probly had the same experiance.
  14. 60103

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    Ballast Colours

    Luis:
    Ballast colour varies; that's why woodland scenics makes so many.
    For example, there are two railways coming out of Toronto side by side (CP and CN). One has grey ballast and the other has black (cinders). But sometimes on sidings the one changes to a black ballast. It depends on where they get it from and how long it's been in place. Sometimes it's mixed on the same track when the new ballast is different from the old.
    Also, grey ballast goes much darker when it's wet.

    On double track, the ballast usually is laid all the way across at the bottom of tie level but is put up to the top of the ties where they are with a slope at the end of the ties. Between the tracks there may be a little more of a ditch. On curves, the outer side of the ties is higher than the inner side; the tracks are at the same average level, so there is a larger drop on one side.
    On switches, the ballast is kept almost at the bottom of the ties around the points or other moving parts. Around here, it is because of snow.
    There are places where the mud comes up and covers the ballast -- there is one point at Toronto Union Station involving one of those double crossovers made of double slip switches where one of the tracks is more of a raw umber colour.
    At Brampton station there is a platform on one side. The ballast comes level right to the platform edge but the ballast is made of very small pieces (down to pea size) at the edge going up to fist size in the middle where the track is.
  15. Vic

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    Luis,
    I sent you the instructions on ballast by regular e-mail as they were too lengthy to post here.
  16. Xaniel

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    thanks vic.

    there only one more question that i have for you. what should i do, if the ballast is guled to rails? you know, sometime little pieces of ballast stay glued on the rails... and it gives a very jerky and smoothless train running.
  17. Vic

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    Hi Luis, If you have some glue on the tops of the rails just clean if off with a track cleaning block or some real fine emory paper.

    Sounds like you may have some ballast in the inside web of the rails. That's the area between the top and base of the rail ...see attached pic.

    Just take the point of a knife or a real small screwdriver and slide it along the inside web of both rails and scrape the stuck ballast off and every thing should work OK. You have to clean your track real good after ballasting.

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  18. Xaniel

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    I've been ballasting some of my track using the wet water method... and guess what!!! It looks great. it's dry and it lokk pretty real. I've been almost two hours to ballast a double track curve with curves at 9" and 11". An enjoyed every second. it looks pretty real. I'll send pst some pics as soon as I can.


    By the way, YOU GUYS ARE THE GREATEST!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE :) :D
  19. Vic

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    Hi Luis, Glad its working out for you now:) :D :cool:
  20. Woodie

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    Well done, Luis!:cool: Now...... on with the rest of the track! :D