[search] Thornycroft Torpedo Boat No. 168

Discussion in 'Ship & Watercraft Models' started by ssebitro, Oct 12, 2004.

  1. ssebitro

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  2. Maurice

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    Sebastian

    A very obscure warship and I wonder how you came to know about it. :D
    I don't know of any free plans but at the bottom of the page at
    http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm
    they say
    "A copy of a plan of the vessel is in the Auckland War Memorial Museum Library."
    The email address to write to would be
    armoury@aucklandmuseum.com

    Cheers
    Maurice
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    ssebitro, Maurice,

    Thanks for the post. It may be obscure but the story is hilarious. Guess how they found out that both torpedoes had to be dropped simulataneously? Salt water boiler injection? Galvanized steel hull in the South Pacific?....,

    Best regards, Gil
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    Jim,

    No, that was ssebitro's post with a follow-up by Maurice (from which, the quote below). Your post does lead to a top and side views of the aforementioned craft. I was referring to the description of events after it was delivered to New Zealand, especially the quote:

    "The Lyttelton Times describes the vessel's performance as 'enough to make a marine engineer weep tears of gall!'."

    Great stuff and barely varnished to boot!

    Best regards, Gil
  6. Jim Krauzlis

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    Can you tell I'm suffering a head cold? :lol:

    Sorry about that.

    ssebitro, are you looking for more plans than the link on that page provides?

    Jim
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    More, more , more :lol: this is some kind of picture not a plan :D J want to bulid in 1/20 scale , J need a lines of hull , deck and many more , but it's dificult to find . J'm searching since january :cry: and J can't get satisfaction :?:


    Sorry for mistakes my english is poor :)
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    Hi Ssebitro

    I have this scale drawing of Torpedo boat No. 80, built by Yarrow & Co. I know its not the same boat, but I have been told that it was the same hull design for both boats. I don't know if thats true or not a bit before my time :lol:

    If its any good to you let me know

    Regards

    Rob
  9. Maurice

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    Rob

    I think TB 80 by Yarrow was a 1st class torpedo boat of 135' pp. (So just who did tell you they were the same? :D )
    Do you have drawings for the 2nd class boats TB 76 -95 built by Thornycroft 1890-93. These seem to exactly match the dimensions given for the New Zealand boats ?
    Thornycroft likely knocked out a few more the same.

    Cheers
    Maurice

    PS only saw your pics when I logged in to post. TB 80 is definitely not the same as the NZ boats. Nice drawings though. :D
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    Hi Maurice

    An old guy from the local OAP club comes by now and then for bits for his models just said he thought the hulls were the same and that the hull lines might be of use!! As I said I din't know if it was true or not :roll:

    The next set of line drawings I have are for 27-knotters or "A" Class (1893-94 Programme) with some photos of Boxer, Spitfire, Salmon and Sunfish and a few others. After that 30-knotters.

    Oh well tried to help :lol:

    Regards

    Rob
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    Thank's you all for trying to help :D jrts it's beautyfull :wink: torpedoboat but it's diferent construction , you my be right about hull's perhaps torpedoboat "Lighting" from 1877 has the same hull but J'm not sure. J send a picture of another thornycroft vessel , it has the same hull and J'm sure.
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    Italian battleship "Dulilo" has a topedoboat in the "garage" :D in his hull it's look like construction of Mr. Thornycroft ?
  13. Maurice

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    Sebastian

    Duilio's torpedo boat was called "Clio" and weighed 26 tons. That is all I know and I have no idea who made it.
    The New Zealand boats and the other Thornycroft boats like the one in your picture weighed 12 tons.
    Do you have any other information about Clio ?

    Cheers
    Maurice
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    I know it's crossing threads, but this hull-form really begs for airscrews on outriggers and to be crawling with 4m four armed green martians..
  15. Maurice

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    (Pats a Shrike gently on the head)

    There, there now, just sit quietly in the corner there for a while and it'll be alright.
    They'll go away soon and you'll be safe again.

    :lol:
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    Sebastian

    Very interesting, thank you.
    That looks like a Thornycroft boat but it is not.
    Between 1878 and 1881 Italy bought five torpedo boats. Nibbio and Aquila from Thornycroft and Avvoltoio, Spaviero and Falco from Yarrow.
    Clio (1882) was the first Italian designed and built torpedo boat but seems to have been very similar to Nibbio (See message from Wujek Andrzej - Sro Kwi 14 2004, 9:18 )
    If you want detailed plans of Nibbio it is possible that the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich, London may be able to help.
    On Warship.com I saw AChoong@nmm.ac.uk suggested as a contact in the museum's Photographs & ship plans section.

    If you can make do with less information I suggest using the plan of the New Zealand boat found by Jim and the sections in Rob's plan of Torpedo boat No. 80. The hulls of all the early torpedo boats were very similar.

    Cheers
    Maurice
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    Thank's for information it will be used. J will ask in museum.

    The sections of Rob's plan are closer to battleship's sections . No 168 sections are looking like sections of fast light cruiser( see the foto of wreck in museum ) what you think about TURBINIA ?

    This Italian Clio look's like mirror of Thornycroft :D