Proto Mantua?

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  1. jeffrey-wimberl

    jeffrey-wimberl Active Member

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    Here's another chop, cut, rebuild. A Mantua F7 body on a Proto 2000 FA1 chassis. It was a shotgun wedding. The truck and weight supports inside the body had to be cut out. On the P2K chassis the front coupler pocket had to be removed and the headlight fixture had the be removed. The corners on the front of the frame had to be ground off (1/8" each side) to allow the body to fit. Naturally it runs like a dream. Here's a photo of it in it's final form, if you can get over the Alco trucks that is.

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  2. Dave1905

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    An awful lot of work to put a poor quality shell on the wrong underframe.

    Dave H.
  3. jeffrey-wimberl

    jeffrey-wimberl Active Member

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    Actually in comparing the shell to that of an Athearn F7, there's very, very little difference on the outside. Besides which, it looks better on the FA chassis than the broken body shell of the FA1 did. It kinda took a four foot trip the a wood floor one day. The chassis survived but the body came out worse for wear.
  4. X 3829

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    Good work Jeff!:thumb:
  5. Russ Bellinis

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    Was it a P2k chassis or the P1k? I thought the Fa1 was in the P1k line. Same chassis as the P2k but less detail on the shell. Nice work, however. For rivet counters, there are some problems with that shell, but it is fine for what Allan McClellan used to refer to as "good enough" for a layout. Athearn, Mantua, Bachmann and a bunch of the toy train manufacturers used the dies from the old Globe f-7 for their models. The Globe shell had the wrong roof curvature. You can see the difference if you put a standard r-t-r Athearn f-7 coupled to an Athearn Genesis f-7 which uses the Highliner dies. Interrestingly, the Tyco shell had the correct roof. A friend of mine in the club used to pick up Tyco shells cheap at swap meets, train shows, etc, and use the correct roof from the Tyco on the Athearn shells to make f-7s with the correct roof. The other problem with that shell for a Santa Fe modeler is the lack of a mars light on the nose. All of the red & silver f-7s were used in passenger service and had dual headlights with the upper light being a mars light. The single headlight was only used on the freight units (blue and yellow livery). The final problem for rivet counters is that it is an f-7 with steam generator details cast into the roof. There was not room for a steam generator on a standard f-7a unit. The Santa Fe solved the problem by putting steam generators in f-7b's in the space that would otherwise be occupied by a cab on the "a" units. Emd came out with an fp-7 which was 4 feet longer than the f-7 to allow room for a steam generator in the "a" unit, but Santa Fe didn't bother to buy them. They just put steam generators in their red and silver passenger units and a few of the blue and yellow "b" units that were designated for dual service to cover passenger trains when their was a shortage of red & silver power units. These blue & yellow "b"s saw a lot of service on the "Del Mar Specials" that ran during the racing season at the Del Mar race track along the "Surf Line" to San Diego.
  6. nachoman

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    I know a few railroads ordered gp-7/9 with ALCo trucks, but did anyone order an F-unit with ALCo trucks, or were there ever any rebuilds with ALCo trucks?

    Kevin
  7. jeffrey-wimberl

    jeffrey-wimberl Active Member

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    The Alaska railroad had an F7-B with ALCO trucks.

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    Good thing I'm not a rivet counter. On the roof curvature that was mentioned, I did notice it when comparing the shell to an Athearn shell. I also already knew about the deal with the lack of the mars light. The unit is destined to be repainted in the colors of the MGRy. It will also be fitted with a DCC decoder.

    BTW, it is a Proto 2000 chassis.
  8. Russ Bellinis

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    It just now dawned on me that the Fa1 I was thinking of was the Walthers Trainline version which would be the equivalent of the P1k line from Lifelike. I wasn't aware of a P2k Fa1 until I read your post. I still like your model. Nice work.
  9. jeffrey-wimberl

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    The loco has been repainted for the MGRy and has a matching B unit which also has AAR trucks.
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    Great work Jeff, I love your chop-cut-rebuild units.
  11. Sarge_7

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    Nice work Jeffrey. That's the great thing about freelanced roads, you can do what ever works for you:cool:
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    Sarge 7, that's exactly why I'm doing freelanced.
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    Me too:mrgreen: You can also use up those extra parts that are laying around:twisted:
  14. jeffrey-wimberl

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    I've also been working on an old Bachmann FT shell. I did some work on it today. The paint on the cab is still a bit rough. I'll take care of that tomorrow, I'm too tired to do it tonight. It wouldn't do any harm to put the decals on though so I did that. Also did the decals for the two F7 shells. Here are some photos of the FT as it is right now.

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  16. Russ Bellinis

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    By the way Jeffery, if you are looking for a plausible reason to have Alco trucks under an Emd F-unit, perhaps the Alco was wrecked and the original traction motors burned out on the Emd. The railroad didn't have a spare set of traction motors for the Emd so they used the trucks off the wrecked Alco instead.
  17. jeffrey-wimberl

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    I have an Alco with EMD trucks too.