NYC Niagara 4-8-4 - Anderson

Discussion in 'The Real Thing- North America' started by Roger Hensley, Dec 31, 2007.

  1. Roger Hensley

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    1954 Ron Stuckey Photo - Anderson NYC Passenger
    NYC Niagara 4-8-4 6005(?) leads a passenger train downtown Anderson

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  2. Russ Bellinis

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    I'm not a big fan of Eastern roads, but it is sure a shame that the NY Central scrapped all of their significant big steam locomotives and didn't save even one for posterity!
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    Russ,Those NYC 4-8-4s and the 4-6-4s was built for speed..And speed they would on the "Water Level Route".
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    Actually, there are a pair of their 4-8-2s left...

    Elkhart (the national nyc museum) and st louis...iirc
  5. ozzy

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    Passenger? where are the passenger cars? i see 2 baggage cars and a bunch of boxcars.
  6. Roger Hensley

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    Beyond the head end cars. They're off screen.
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    It is an express train...which is what paid the bills for the passenger trains.
  8. Russ Bellinis

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    The only reason for the creation of AmTrak was that the government took the mail off the trains and sent all mail by air in the continental U.S. The railroads lost the revenue that paid for passenger service. Unfortunately, now we face the problem of ignorant lawmakers who think we should abolish all public support of railroads because, according to them in their ignorance passenger trains are the only form of transportation that receives government subsidies. They just don"t know who pays for highways and airports, or they know and are lying to us. Since a politician would NEVER lie, I must assume they are just plain ignorant.
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    :agree1:
  10. brakie

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    Russ,It started with that big lie that was told by many way back during the the creation of Amtrak...
    That lie? That passenger trains could make money and Amtrak would be self sufficient by the mid-80s.
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    Thanks for posting this, Roger. Mmm, mmm, good! :thumb::thumb::-D

    Wayne
  12. Russ Bellinis

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    I sometimes think the mistake was allowing the freaight railroads to give up passenger service instead of the government subsidising the existing passenger service. If the government was subsidising passenger service for all of the class 1 railroads, they would have a lot more difficulty just dropping the support. It would be like the government deciding to quit subsidising airports and air traffic control. If the airlines were suddenly told that they were going to have to pay 100% of the cost to operate and maintain the airports and the air traffic control services, two things would immediately happen. #1 the cost of a coach class airline ticket from LA to NY would cost $3,000.00-$5,000.00 each. #2 all of the airlines would probably go bankrupt.

    By creating Amtrak and putting unrealistic expectations in place, the government has poised itself to get rid of passenger service.