new project Stormraven from Newobmij

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  1. terrinecold

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    as mentioned previously my son started a dreadnought model, later on this WE I found a model which seems to me simpler to build than the one from Patorroch while still being in the War40k universe a StormRaven from Newobmij (I had a hard time hunting it down as I so and liked his blog but couldn't find his templates).
    Anyway here are some build pictures and some of my remarks.

    First the kit is nice for beginners as there are glue tabs everywhere and not too much details. Details are nice but when one starts one should be humble.

    Second there are no instructions, probably because the model is considered to be self explanatory or because newobmij did it for himself so he never needed them. It makes for some nice practice imagining things in 3d, but I think one nice thing would have been to have numbered the parts so one could take notes about the build.

    Finally I decided to take notes on the pdf of what I understood of the build and what I could do better the next time. I'd like to upload the annotated pdf but I am not sure if I should get newobmij consent first, the problem being that I already sent him a mail asking where to find the templates a few days back and haven't received a reply so I assume I don't have the correct mail.


    Anyway, here are pics and how is the build going:
    1) I found a part which must be most of the main body. it has the side doors, I call it 1
    2) I found a part that goes at the bottom of the previous it has the rear door I call it 2
    3) I assemble them together. Yeah a main body, see picture. I found another stormraven pdf from newobmij labeled final. It seems to be mostly the same with some reorganizing. In particular parts 1 and 2 are just one part now, well...
    4) I found on another sheet what looks like the cockpit and two pieces that go on the side and a bunch of flimsy bits, I call the cockpit 3 and the other 2 4L and 4R, the flimsy bits, no number
    5) see picture I managed to attach 4R and the relevant flimsy bits to the body... Had a lot of trouble keeping pressure on the 2 parts for the glue to take hold as the body is not very rigid (it is a big box with no internal supports in 160g/m2 paper. I have an idea to improve.
    6) for 4L I am gluing it first to a piece of card which match the white space on 1 where it should go... much easier to keep the pressure and later much easier to glue the part with this backing to the body... I decide to take notes on the pdf and to send them back to the author
    7) starting the wings. I see they'll lack rigidity, I have some foam boards 3mm thick (surprise just the right thickness) I decide to laminate that as the solid core of the wings, see pictures

    That is where we are. I think this hobby is more fun everytime, I also realize how much progress I need to make.

    I have to applaud the great work of newobmij, while I am impressed by all the model Patoroch they are too advanced for my level I think. We'll finish the dreadnought, I'll post progress so you guys can give me advice or have a good laugh but I'll find some easier ones to practice on first before coming back at them.

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  2. Zathros

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    I can give you some simple advice that will help this model tremendously. print extra sheets. The door on the part your holding, for instance. Cut the door out from a newly printed sheet, and laminate if up with the hinge. Ding this on the other surfaces,and the opposite, on recessed surfaces, will produce a model which you will be very happy with, and give you practice is a much often used technique. You could even make the door open! :)
  3. terrinecold

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    thanks for the advice, I have been partially following it already but for a different reason, at least on the Patoroch model, the first time around we don't understand how a part should fit most of the time. So I cut it as it is on the model then when I understand I try to make it work, it doesn't so I use the spare sheet, add some glue tabs, recut and redo the part.

    Regarding those specific doors, in fact the model already comes with extra doors on the sheet which are supposed to be used exactly like that. I was just thinking that I would first do the main structure then I would add the details.
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    lower wings are complete I have to figure out the top wings part. Specially how the engines will attach to them.

    Note that the wings are pretty ugly due to glue traces and highly visible seems, some that I will be able to hide with a pen but at the junction with the lift fans some are really almost holes

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  5. Zathros

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    Well, I would suggest cutting it apart, and never use tabs. Use separate folded strips. You won't get that kind of seams. They are holes. On the other hand, you could look at it as a learning experience, but your not that far into it, so you could just fix it now, or make a mental note for the next time! :)
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    Thanks for the paper strip advice I need to think about it to make sure I visualize correctly what you mean.
    About this specific model I am looking at it as a learning experience. I made a note (not mental, directly in the pdf) about it for next time.
    As you can see in the attached picture, already for the second wing I have progressed. When I'll fix it to the body I'll decide if I redo it or not

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  7. lehcyfer

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    I watch it with interest.

    I'd laminate all larger surfaces on a thicker card - when gluing details on later it helps tremendously. As a matter of fact when doing Patoroch's models I usually print everything on 0,5mm card and then print the parts to be rolled on a thinner card. You can find techniques for working with thick card in this thread.

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    Yes after I was done building the box for the body of the craft I thought of that. I got a large board of depron foam yesterday and started to use it for that purpose. Thanks for the link to the other thread. About printing on thicker card. My printer won't accept the 250g/m2 paper I bought so I feed it 160g/m2
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    The model at the link was laminated on 0,5mm card.
  10. Zathros

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    Look at the attached pictures. If you wanted to make the buggy, you would do it as the exploded pictures shows. That should explain it all. The grey pieces are the gluing strips. This allows you to make seams as tight as possible. :)

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    very clear thanks. Do you work with strips like this regardless of the size of the geometry or do you decide that bellow some threshold (let's say 2mm) you'll just try gluing the seems directly.
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    I try to avoid connection stripes whenever possible. I form the elements for so long until they take the shape they should take after gluing - then I apply glue and simply place the element precisely in position. Because it is formed beforehand and tested for fitting, there's no gaping holes anywhere, and I don't have to keep on holding the part to prevent it from ungluing.
  13. Zathros

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    I think it depends on the model, the shape, and the size. When building some ship models, if too thin of a Hull plating cardstock is used, strips like this can reduce the framework showing through the side. If the stock is thick enough, it can be glued together.

    In my opinion, strips far out weight tabs, which can destroy a model. It is one reason Pepakura bothers me so much. All those little triangles!

    Most of my models are played with. I have a son, and if he wants to play with the models, I let him. 99% of the time, he is extremely careful, but things happen. If the material is too line, you may or may not need strips. If you apply glue to the edge of a thin piece of paper, then you always have the chance of glue showing. if it dries clear, you're o.k., but there is no where for the glue to go.

    Ultimately, you have to see what works for you. It is yourself you want please, and there is always pride in showing off ones own work. Ultimately if your happy with it, then great. I am just a moderator here, not the one with the best experience or technique, please remember that. I think your should definitely form the parts, and if you can glue the straight away, without using anything else, that is the best way to go, by far :)
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    the storm raven is taking shape, I did add selective reinforcement in parts of the wings. This is a nice beginners model which is challenging enough when starting but rewarding at the same time, it is just a shame that it has no documentation.

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  15. Zathros

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    Looks ready to come together! :)
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    progress report, engines and turret (rotating and with guns which can be elevated) are done, some of the decoration is done too. Mostly what is left is the tail section and attaching the wings to the body.

    Also I think this thread should be moved to the war40k section, I think only a mod can do it

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    Rhaven Blaack ADMINISTRATOR Administrator Moderator

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    Looks GREAT so far.

    As for having it moved to 40K section, PM Zathros (he is a MOD). He should be able to do it for you.

    Keep up the GREAT work.

    BTW, I did not see a link to this model. Where can I find it?
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    about the model link, I found it on the internet by googling for newobmij and storm raven after finding pictures on his site. I think there is a better (with a few fixes) version which is a blood marine one and is on this forum in a big thread somewhere. I have made many annotation on how to build it on the templates. I would like to republish the annotated template but since I had no answers from the original author I don't really want to do so yet.
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    Not a problem. I fully understand.

    I know of the the other one that you are talking about and I have that one. I just wanted to see what the difference between the two were (if any at all).

    You are doing a GREAT job on this model.
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    There are very few differences that I could see (apart from the obvious color scheme).
    A few changes in the layout of the PDF which make the newest slightly easier to understand and there was one part which was incorrect in the version I am building which is changed (fixed) in the newest.
    I also remember (not sure) that two of the main body parts are regrouped in one.