Important Question!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Getting Started' started by LarryGarrett, Jan 6, 2003.

  1. LarryGarrett

    LarryGarrett New Member

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    Okay, if you remember correctly, right around Christmas (give or take a few days), there was major a discussion regarding smoking....and yes, it stayed friendly.........BUT, I don't think we ever addressed the "real" question in regard to model railroading and the smoker/non-smoker debate::::::::Sooooooo, here it is, for those with the #$^%& to answer it.
    SHOULD STEAM ENGINES BE ALLOWED TO SMOKE?
  2. davidstrains

    davidstrains Active Member

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    Only with a consenting adult:D
  3. Vic

    Vic Active Member

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    Only if they read the warning on hopper cars loaded with coal!:p
  4. cidchase

    cidchase Active Member

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    Well, I've seen discouraging remarks elsewhere concerning the unrealistic appearance, and the oily soot left on the layout, etc.

    So I've got three new non-smokers, and one old Revell smoker, which is a UP tank engine switcher (0-6-0) I got for $15 at a hobby shop.
    So guess which one everybody wants to see run? You guessed it,
    it's Thomas.

    I'm wonderin' how to convince that IHC 4-4-0 to start smoking.
    :D :D :D
  5. roryglasgow

    roryglasgow Active Member

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    So, what warnings would we see on said hoppers?

    WARNING: THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS DETERMINED THAT COAL SMOKE WITH A HIGH SULFUR CONTENT MAY SMELL BAD.

    WARNING: COAL SOOT MAY SOIL CLOTHING.

    WARNING: IMPROPER USE OF COAL MAY CAUSE STAINING OF TEETH.

    WARNING: TRAINS MAY BE ADDICTIVE.
  6. cidchase

    cidchase Active Member

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    Rory, they could put that last warning on
    every last item from A-line to Z-scale!!:eek: :eek: :D
  7. MCL_RDG

    MCL_RDG Member

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    You're limiting yourself...

    You're limiting yourself since deisels, cabooses and plenty of smokestacks (industrial buildings) smoke. Heck- I had a sign over my bed (as a much younger man) that read, "No Smoking Use A Lubricant".:rolleyes:

    "They" are out to ban toy guns in NYC just because "crminals" use them to commit crimes. Your toy trains will be next, I'm sure they'll start with ones that smoke. Eventually your neighbor or a "friend" will turn you in.:eek:

    Perhaps you should be running your trains from solar panels?;)

    Mark

    btw- If you wanna see that IHC 4-4-0 smoke- run a 220 line over to the track (temporary connection will do) and "fire" that baby up! This only works once so take plenty of pictures and video!

    :D :D :D
  8. Ravensfan

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    Only if it is authentic. Isn't the stuff that comes out of the stack steam? Or am I completely wrong about this? :confused:

    If it is steam, then instead of dropping some slimy oil in the engine, a manufacturer should produce a real steam engine. Perhaps a coil that could be superheated by DC with a little reservoir of water that is time released to let a few drops of water on the coil periodically. That would be cool. :cool:
  9. roryglasgow

    roryglasgow Active Member

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    It's smoke AND steam that comes out of the stacks, which is why it's so messy!
  10. Dave Flinn

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    Hmm. Most models I've seen that "smoke" may be nice for a while; but they don't really reporduce the prototype. If you're luck enough to see a real steam locomotive, you'll note that sometimes it makes white smoke, sometimes black, and any combination in between. Also, there are times when little, if any, comes out of the stack.

    As for other sources of smoke, Alco diesels were noted for their smoke -- it's part of their charm. I saw a set of
    Alco PA's last summer on the Grand Canyon Railway that you would have thought were a steam locomotive.

    Jest my two cents worth!
  11. DanRaitz

    DanRaitz Member

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    Dave,

    Those ALCO's on the Grand Canyon RR are FA's not PA's.
    We could only wish that they were PA's. :(
    There are currently only two PA's in the United States, both are non-operational. They are currently residing at Portland Oregon in the process of being restored. One is going to to go the Smithstonion(sp?) in Washington DC and the other is owned by Doyle McCormick (Mr. 4449).
    The FA was the 4 axle freight verision of the 6 axle passenger PA.

    Dan
  12. sumpter250

    sumpter250 multiscale modelbuilder

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    NO.

    The ultimate goal of any competent fireman, was to produce as little smoke as possible. The darkness of the exhaust was unburned fuel, going up the stack, instead of providing power to the locomotive. Most locomotives were firetube boilers, and excess soot would coat the firesides, and reduce the efficiency of heat transfer to the water, robbing even more power.
    The plastic fireman who allows the steam engine to smoke, is repainted as a hobo!
  13. Dave Flinn

    Dave Flinn Member

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    My apologies. I know about the "only" PA's in the US. I guess I just wasn't thinking. Anyway, they were/are Alcos. That's what counts, although my favorites are the RS-1 and RS-3, preferably in New Haven paint. How's that for being picky??
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    Welll maybe not very realistic...and very stinky, but still...kinda cool

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    60103 Pooh Bah

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    To be very picky, those FPA4s and FPB4 aren't Alcos, they're MLWs (Montreal Locomotive Works), ex VIA, exx CNR. :)
  16. DanRaitz

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    If it smells like a ALCO and Smokes like a ALCO -- :)

    My favorite ALCO's have to be the Soo Line "Dolly Sister's" (RS-27's).

    Dan