Hi, All. Maybe wrong but I' sensing a mis-conception. The coal "Gons" we're talking about Look like and have the structure and capacity of "Hoppers", but don't have the slope sheets and bottom dump doors that gave the cars the name - correct, Larry? They may also be used for other commodities that don't require bottom-unloading like scrap metal, woodchips, etc. Classic gondolas are lower,possibly longer, and more versatile for various loads. The Pittsburgh area used to generate massive amounts of gon shipments. Since the major steel makers left, the volume is a small percent of historic levels, but still considerable - a lot of it THROUGH movements. Bob C.