Eastern Tn logging on the DG CC & W RR 1928

Discussion in 'Logging, Mining and Industrial Railroads' started by Bill Nelson, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. Doctor G

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    Hi Bill,

    I really like the weathering on this locomotive. 42 years of mountain work is incredible!!! You really can keep your lokies going with your great repairs and maintenance.
    Doc Tom:thumb:
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    Thanks Tom, #15 has had a long hard life, especially for it's first five years or so before I had the wide assortment of logging power I developed in later years, if there was a locomotive being run, more often than not it was # 15.

    with a gear reduction motor in front of the stock 45:1 gear ratio, it is speed appropriate for a shay (annoyingly slow). I'm kind of ambivalent about the cabbage stack it currently carries, it's original Radley Hunter looked real good, but now I have a similar locomotive on the narrow gauge, I have been resisting the temptation to put the Radley Hunter back on it.


    Bill Nelson
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    SML batten & HOn3 4-4-0.jpg Battens!

    It didn't rain today, and they are calling for rain for the rest of the week, so I figured if I was going to paint some battens for the engine shops any time soon, it would be today.

    So I painted some battens until I ran out of white spray paint ( need some dark grey as well. once I had some battens painted I had to cut some to fit and glue them down (still don't have all the trim on the last wall. ) I am pleased with the look, the subtle difference in the paint helps the tiny battens be visible without looking too oversize.

    The locomotive is a HON3 FED 4-4-0, which is getting re wired to make it operable in advance of getting a paint job. later on it will get a Loco-Doc conversion motor , which, with the rewiring and extra electrical pick ups will make it a fine running engine. Out of the box there was no locomotive pick up on a tender drive locomotive; all the pick up was on the tender, so torque related tender rock would interrupt the power to the motor, making them horrible performers . They cost $38.00 new if I had known to fix the pick up problem I'd have bought several each of the 4-4-0 and 2-6-0. as it is I have one of each now.

    Time to got to the choo choo club soon.

    Bill Nelson
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    Looks good Bill! What do you use to glue your battens on? I line a bunch up on double sided tape & spray the back sides with 3M spray adhesive.
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    I have used a bunch of spray adhesive working on cars, never used it on model buidings.


    I used Aleen's Tachy glue from Hobby lobby, just like Elmer's, except for thicker. I cut the batten to size and spear it on a # 11 exacto blade. Then I put the tacky glue on the back using a pin point, and stick it on the wall.

    I then use the point of the blade to scrape out any that oozed out, cause the only way to know you have enough glue somewhere is to have to clean up the extra that oozed out.
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    SMLBTN dtl.jpg mr btns n Nth wl.jpg Slow progress on Battens

    Being busy, I haven't made lots of progress. I have altered my technique some which speeds up the process considerably. After spearing the piece of batten (already cut to fit) I drag it through a spot of tachy glue rather than applying the glue to the back of the batten with a pin head. I get more glue on t faster that way. I then rub the back if the batten on some way paper to spread the glue around some; use my fingers to wipe off some of the excess on the sides, After the batten is in place, if any glue oozes out i use the point of an exacto knife , or w wooden toothpick to clean it up it up.

    Starting with the battens on this north wall, I kind of got ahead of myself, as I don't have all of the green trim, or the louvers done on the south wall yet, but that is not unusual for me.


    When I have all of the battens on this south wall, I will make tracings of the door openings (marking them so I know which is which.) Then I can set the wall up on the layout for a wile, to be returned to the workbench once I have the doors and hinges built .

    Once this wall is off the work bench there will be three things to work on next ; battens for the east wall, trim and battens for the south wall, and doors and hinges.


    I'm not even thinking about a roof yet, installation of the walls doors hinges, and the painting of and placement of interior details will come first. I still have sone engineering work to do concerning the attachment of the walls to the post and beam frame. Questions abound; Do I want to make all of the walls removable? or just one?


    Once the walls are in I may have to revisit the Harlow enginehouses, and see if there are upgrades I can make to them. and at Stateline (dual gauge) there is no engine house yet, and the turntable isn't even in place at the end of the line in Gegokayoosa, up on the narrow gauge. As I have revisited my planning up there I am considering adding to the insanity (Gegokayoosa is on a shelf, hanging from the 45 degree angled ceiling) an putting in another duck under ( walk under if you are less than six feet tall), and putting in a tight radius return loop over the storage cabinet on the North wall of the rr room.)


    It is time for me to go out into the woods and get some firewood while the sun shines. more later.
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    Hey Bill,

    I really like what you are doing. The louver came out nice and you have a nice technique going for the battens.

    One removeable wall will be great for future "in the engine house " photos.

    Sorry I missed RR club....we had a Haiti mission meeting that night. Any progress on the club RR?

    Doc Tom:wave:
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    I figured you were off doing good you rascal, Dave and Eric made it and Carl made it briefly to check in. Carl has some disc issues in his neck and needs to go onto to everyone's prayer list . Carl has constant pain, and can barely move his neck. They wanted to shoot his neck up with steroids, but one of the rare side effects was parralization below the neck, and he wisely said no thanks. The other option is screws and bars in his neck. Folks this is one of those areas where the medicine is as bad as the disease, so those of you who pray, put Carl on your list. thems of you who don't, try it for Carl. If your an atheist, try it anyway, God knows he is real, and he knows we are working without all the data, and makes allowances for that.

    @ the club I got something done. I found some copper wire, looked like 20 gauge, and I made jumpers from the stock rails to the points on the first three switches in the sawmill area. I didn't have my camera, but I'll fill in details on the Bill and Tom's excellent adventure later on .

    In the woods today cutting firewood I gathered some mossy rocks for the Little River Railroad. One of the windfalls had some wild grapevine in it, and I cut up some of it for 1:22.5 log loads, as well as some shorter pieces I cut to see iff the bark would peel for park loads for the Tannery in Harlow.
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    Hey Guys will definitely pray for your friend Carl, God is still in the miracle business & knows our needs long before we do. To God be all the Glory!

    Your doing a great job on the wall Bill, I like how the louvers turned out.
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    SML bttns n E wl.jpg I'm starting to put battens on the east wall. I used some of the green trim wood to make little high light windows over the freight door, trying to mimic the grant line door castings on the North and South wall, and kiked the way I pulled it off.


    The battens go faster on this wall as all the cuts are ninety degrees


    Bill Nelson
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    SML dr tmplt.jpg templates for the doors

    I made templates for the doors on the south wall.


    the marks at the bottom of the door are @ floor level the code 70 rails will stick up .070 abpbe that, and I'll have to leave a little more for clearance.


    Bill Nelson
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    Hey Bill,

    Thanks for all your help in getting the LRRR in the garden running. Really appreciate those rocks as I have NO Source since we moved in to town.

    Also I will need logging loads for the flat cars, so thanks again.

    Hope t o be home with some sunshine (rare these last few days) this weekend and take some pictures and you can see how the mountains are being made.

    Also started spray painting large scale track and will start laying a few feet in the next few weeks.

    Got an email from the guys who are converting the Shay to RC/Battery and all is going along smoothly. Apparently Phoenix has upgraded to a "P8 sound system" and there are delays it getting it out from the factory, so potential delay in the SHAY getting back to Tennessee. THey are considering putting a Dallee sound system in if they do not get the P8 in a reasonable length of time.

    Dr Tom
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    SML sth wl rdy fr lvrs.jpg SML south wall  battens!.jpg battens on last wall

    I got the battens on the south wall! The west wall touches the wall of the RR room without room for the trim or battens.


    I have the hole for the louvers framed in. I do this the same way I framed a window hole with trim on the inside of the opening all the way around, and then trim all the way around the outside.

    Next I need to cut louvers to fit, and hope I have enough of the green material to get all the louvers and the little lights over the freight door on the west wall. I have some extra material cut that size, but it isn't painted yet.


    I was afraid I'd run out of batten material, and I almost did. I'll have to look and see if I have more material cut that size. It would be nice to save a stash of batten and trim ,material painted appropriately in case I ever want to use that building on a different layout, where it might not be up against the wall. When I build the roof, the north side won't have an overhang, so I might need to stash away enough lumber and other material to rebuild 1/2 of the roof, as this is the one of one or two most impressive structures I have started ( I never finish anything).


    Bill Nelson
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    louvers going in.jpg louvers going in

    this will be it for this wall, I will need to make tracings of the door openings, and then I can work on fastening these walls on the frame.

    Bill Nelson
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    SML end wl w smp bm.jpg SML end wll Hk.jpg Sml sd wl hk.jpg My wife is watching football this afternoon, and I am in there working on the engine house, and watching the replays.


    The back wall of the engine house is tacked onto the post and beam frame.


    I drilled holes in the other three wall and have glued little brass hooks, designed to hook onto the post and beam frame, to allow removable wall.


    The beam I used to test the hooks size.

    The hooks are set into drilled holes in the walls and secured with white gorilla glue.

    once the glue has set up I'll get you photos of the walls up.


    Bill Nelson
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    Nice idea on the wall hooks Bill. Is your wife a Titan fan? I am a Bengal fan & an avid fan of Brett Favre. Today's game was not fun to watch.:cry:
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    SML   CC E H dr opngs.jpg SML  cc eh wls rdy #1.jpg SML # 21 @ hm.jpg SML CC RH Nw .jpg Yea, we are watching the Titans, the beginning of the season was ugly, My son Is @ Miami of Ohio, and I understand the Bengals season has been painful as well.


    I got the walls up. I had some temporary clips, and the permanent ones are just an improvement on that idea.

    Spikes stuck into the homasote concrete hold the bottom of the walls in.


    Now that there is a shops building maybe the shops crew can finally get around to fixing the paint damage on the nose of # 21, that occurred when I I built the freight pilot for it.


    Bill Nelson
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    The Bengals are actually doing very well this year, we are 9-4 & about to clinch our division. I like your choice of Freight doors.
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    It Must have been a previous year That had all of Forrester's Southern Ohio friends disgusted. I only half pay attention to football, but I am rabid about Hockey!


    Bill Nelson
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    another thread

    I have been working on converting a Ho Bachman GE 70 tonner to HOn3. I put it in a thread in the Narrow gauge section, as a narrow gauger might not think to look in this subsection.


    http://www.zealot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167339


    there is the link. the locomotive was built for our club. and I think it will be a big success. it runs pretty smoothly right now, and I had washed all of the grease off of the gears, to be sure it hadn't picked up metal of plastic shaving in it, so I suspect it will run better once it has been re lubed.


    Bill Nelson