USS Sulaco / Aliens

heya aliens 99 glad to see you are still working on the alien meshes :)

did you see my thread of my colony buildings I built from your web site. will you be doing any more soon? and when is the ETA for the landingpad base? also when will you be be doing the windwall?

also a bit off topic but are you still planing on finishing the skynet unit meshes?
the the terminatorfiles websites have links for two really good huntkiller tank meshes that are free I would use them to redo my Skynet paper models but I dont have max so unless someone who has max can save them to obj I will not be able to redo my HK paper model so I am waiting on your HK Tank paper model.
 
I see your problem, Jan, that is really kinda wtf? I had another look at Alien 3 and was like, um, it comes off the hull? That's actually kinda weird but cool at the same time. For the same reason, you don't see where it comes off, cos i think even they couldn't figure out where they should be, maybe?
 
I still think it looks like a door hinge (and the designer got paid HOW MUCH for the design?!!?). :P
 
Lets pretend that the EEV's on the wall were for non-cryotubed occupants. Personnel were required to board them for jettisoning.

There are similar EEV's located near the cryo chambers that were setup to receive the cryotubes from the chamber. These EEV's had attachment points to recieve the dumped tubes. The ones on the wall were accessed via ladders and had seating/provisions for 5 people.

Does that explain it all away? =)

It's cheaper to construct one Escape vehicle and modify it for cryotube support. Then to create several versions.
 
As pretty as your EEV is, I wouldn't add it to the model, as it's just not on the model in the first place. Adding it may make it complete, but it also makes it inaccurate. The millenium falcon has exactly the same problem, there are supposed to be escape pods, but they're just not on the model.
 
I agree with HMAS Mousemuffins, and Armorman. I believe it to also be a simple conituity problem. I wouldn't try to make it fit the Sulaco Model, it would detract from her gorgeousness... ness. Plus, not seeing it from the outside in the movie shows the prop guys did try to make it fit either. They didn't know where to put it or what to do with it and winged it!
 
The pods are at either side of this ship on the Falcon.

Here is one interpretation of them.

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Cool. that's one way it could work I guess, there real problem with the falcon is it's way too small to fit everthing in, in a logical manner, assuming you take the movies as "cannon", which you really have to. For example, easily seen in the scenes on hoth, the outside diameter of the cokpit is only about 6 1/2 feet, and the depths of the side panels no more than about 3 1/2, yet folks are supposed to be able to stand up in this thing.
 
Yeah... lol... whoopsie.

I think as far as the Cryotubes for the Sulaco... I think we are looking at 2 types. Regular for awake personnel and Freezer types.

So that's Regular and Extra Crisper.
 
5.3.2009
ALIEN3 is a good movie, with good atmosphere , excellent props and director ,but really p*ssed me off in technical way.wall1
The EEV modul itself looks great the 1:1 scale prop is perfect copy of the model. Interior is functional, design is perfect.:thumb:
But the way, how it was loaded and released that is pure nonsense.:confused:
I am allmost like Cameron. I want that things must work somehow. The Dropships, Powerloader, APC, Colony...Everything works fine.
except the EEV.
I don´t know if the the Ship like Sulaco with its "Aerodynamic" dropships will be carry those cube-like edged "german" EEVs.
I like that design (EEV),but i don´t know if it´s siutable fo reenry vehicle.
The guys from United states technical manual counting with the 20 EEVs and 100 men of crew.
I maked my own calculations: hmmm....One dropship can carry 15 people even pilots, 2 dropships=30 people.
And some crew for the cargo hangar ..it means ± 40~50 people maximum....it means 10 EEVs.
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I´ve analyzed the process of loading cryotubes onboard and closed it with this result: Evacuating of the people in cryostasis must be smooth and quick.
I´m willing to accept the replacing the tubes from cryo room industrial "Cameron" one for travel model"Fincher" seen in the Alien3.
Thats all.......(info:Fincher liked the model of cryo statsis from Scott movie so he decided that this design will be in his Alien3).
The loading tunnel must be straight (without curves) direct into the cryo systems of the EEV....In the moment, when the people
are onboard the outer cover plate is thrown away and the EEV is dropped into space like Dropship did...fast smooth move..
.away from the structures of Sulaco (like particle beam weapons-those arms)...I missing all that things in the Alien3 movie.:cry:

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If we look at it technically, there can be 3 situations occur.
case 1) The crew is in cryos...In the emergency situation can be transported into "low budget" EEVs and dropped away, OR (i like this idea) The whole cryo room is a EEV
and can be separated from the ship in emergency situation-this is more expensive way, so the EEVs are good alternative , but for the cryostasis only.Not for waked people.
case 2) The crew is partially "on duty".There can be 2 chances: Wake up the rest of the crew and abandon ship in something else - like lifeboat(Narcissus).
-This situation calculate with the same number of cryo stasis in EEVs and lifeboats so if u have 30 people, then u need 60 cryo stasis.-
...if there will be some time for rescue...if not, there is secon chance, The ship automaticly release EEVs with the sleep crew ito the safe distance and the life crew abandon
ship in some lifeboats...this situation is in the name of everyone fight for himself....separately...people from eevs and lifeboats.
There can be chance to connect them into transport(some sort of snake or chain), but u cannot open the EEVs for obtaining more cryo stasis.
There can be other , more interesant, situation. As i wrote above, in emergency the whole cryo room can be separated as a huge EEV (even the empty cryo stasis).
The live crew in the lifeboats can be connected to the Cryo room EEV for obtaining more cryo stasis. From now on the Cryo room EEV & one or more lifeboats together are
fully operational craft with life support and navigation and so on.and with the same number of cryos like crew.(good idea?)
case 3) The whole crew is on duty. If the situation will be positive for time...there is a chance to abandon ship with the EEVs...If not and the crew must go to the lifeboats
..there must be more (2x) stasis on board The Sulaco (In the EEVs and Lifeboats).
In the other hand - The ship (Sulaco) can be separated into pieces. The cryo room and lifeboats will be released and after that all the necessary components will be connected together.
So there can be new ship born....I am counting with the idea of Sulaco connected from small ,fully operational blocks (ships) connected together...
OH MAAAAN....I AM FRUSTRATED :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

6.3.2009
nice EEV discussion..the milenium facon specially ...i like it:mrgreen:
nore..nore more....ideas.....sign1
I have something too...I´ve printed 3 test pages of the side plate....:wave:
...I´ll glue them in this week...i hope..:twisted:

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It's all just too cool. The discussion on EEVs, the escape scenarios, the MFs escape systems, and the test pages you've shown. I think I may implode.

These filmmakers and special effects shops really need to consult us first BEFORE they go making sci fi movies, now, don't they.
 
Films would never be made if they consulted with us, too big of a committee. The bigger the committee the less that gets done.

Though it would be nice. Here is an idea, take our models and go get a nice camera and start doing stop motion battles. Hmmm....
 
9.3.2009

I´ve realized instead of EEV the small dropship.:thumb:
The final scale of the SULACO will be 1:430.(the scale of the 1.7 meters long model:mrgreen:)
In this scale will be the dropship whole 6 cm long :eek:
Just look into pepakura window...
I´ve just finished 3d model and arranged the pieces into virtual A4 paper.:mrgreen:

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10.3.2009

after couple of hours I´ve textured this tiny dropship.:mrgreen:


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and printed sheet ....:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:...As u see there is papercraft in the corner and the rest (3/4) is the building plan....really used sheet of paper:mrgreen::mrgreen:

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finally....I have some backup....in the case if there will be something bad or my building skills fail.:mrgreen:
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