thanks! I just get so sick of the whole 'piracy and mods are wrong'' issues people obsess on. yeah, artists have rights. charge a buck for it then and no one can touch it. I wish someone like legalo1 or rawen would clean up my models and repost them. I would be proud to see my stuff being used. put a few extras on, as long as its not derogatory I don't care. now with permission needed to host or modify ''free models'' I just put that on there. its easier. I feel for these guys who are pirated. yeah that really sucks. and maybe with the mods issue is to post the original along with the mods. then the artist gets full credit for the thing. its always bothered me and I have been told to shut up about it many times. free is free as far as im concerned. I would pay 10 cents a model for a subscription for what is now a free model site. just to keep things honest. I would have to wait a little longer between downloads, but patience is a virtue. thank god for all the givers out there, I would never have been able to start this hobby if it weren't for free models. and I curse the pirates who profiteer on the artists! P-tooie!