Macross/Robotech Destroids, and other mecha

[jaffro]

Then take your catty little remarks to the website that's offering it for free, and stop making baseless allegations of misconduct about someone who was only looking to help other members of this forum. I'll be waiting for your apology.

You'll be waiting a while for that apology because Tikitiki has no reason to give you one. You posted a link to a site that hosts pirate scans of models the designers don't want to be made available for free. Fair enough, you can't read Japanese and weren't to know they were pirated, but there was no need for YOUR catty remarks after the mistake was pointed out to you and then you posted the link AGAIN.

Play nice, childish tantrums will get you nowhere.

 

[ohgodwhy]

Fair enough, you can't read Japanese and weren't to know they were pirated, but there was no need for YOUR catty remarks after the mistake was pointed out to you and then you posted the link AGAIN.

He didn't point out a mistake, he made an accusation. His statement implies that I'd deliberately went out of my way to take money out of the designer's pocket, and that simply isn't the case. I know piracy is a hot topic here, and knowing the hard work that goes into designing models, I avoid the possibility of contributing to it like the plague. I find the implication to be very insulting, and I feel his statement is an act of libel. Call it a " Tantrum " if you like.

 

[jaffro]

He didn't point out a mistake, he made an accusation.

That's the way you see it, and you obviously don't want to see it any other way. The way I saw it is that he was pointing out to you that the model was not a free download, he also went on to mention that the designer has lost a lot of income due to people offering links to free downloads of the model. Another thing I noticed is that the usual internet language barrier comes into play here as english is obviously not his first language. (apologies if I got that wrong!)

His statement implies that I'd deliberately went out of my way to take money out of the designer's pocket, and that simply isn't the case.

Again, I don't think that's what he was trying to imply, it was a general statement about the way many people have ignored the wishes of the designer, you have taken it personally because your name was mentioned at the start of the post.

I know piracy is a hot topic here, and knowing the hard work that goes into designing models, I avoid the possibility of contributing to it like the plague.

This is why I called your posting of the link a "mistake". Because you didn't know it was a pirated model, and if you had known, you wouldn't have posted it.

I find the implication to be very insulting, and I feel his statement is an act of libel. Call it a " Tantrum " if you like.

Well, when you put it like that, it's not so much a tantrum but more of a complete over-reaction. Lighten up.

 

[DaDragon]

Here we go again!

Hi ohgodwhy.

You fell into the same pit as I did! For just requesting a link, or someone to kindly send a copy of the model, I got told I was committing an act of piracy! I was expected to know that the model was a limited-edition commercial product and got judged on the lack of this knowledge.

Not your fault; the pit was covered over and unmarked. You allowed your enthusiasm for the hobby and the desire to help others similarly enthused to dictate your actions. Again, not your fault. You had no reason to suppose the model being posted was unauthorised. Your Japanese, like mine, is virtually non-existant. Not your fault and certainly not the 'excuse' implied in

the usual internet language barrier comes into play here as english is obviously not his first language.

Japanese is obviously not our first language. And the comment

you have taken it personally because your name was mentioned at the start of the post

is contradictory at best. If your name is at the top, then what follows is directed at you unless stated otherwise.

The world cannot be seen purely in black and white. All that is not proven good is not necessarily evil as there are more than two diametrically opposed views. We are all human and not always right, but that does not mean that if we are not right, we choose to be wrong: we are merely lacking all the facts.

I think that the fact of two members taking identical stances and "overreacting" to comments posted about them speaks for itself: one is isolated, but two is a trend.

Say what you like about this post - I have unsubscribed as some of the members here are too judgemental for my tastes. And no, I am not some snotty-nosed kid who doesn't know s*#t: I am 56 years old, disabled and supported by a medical pension as I am unable to work.

Graham.

 

[Nothing]

i think this topic should be taken to pm or e-mail as it is ruining thunderchilds thread. which i have up to this point been following with interest. he has been doing some great things here but i will have to unsubscribe if this continues. An admin has moderated the point. if you disagree please take it to pm or i beleive there is a b***hes and gripes section.

 

[Stev0]

He didn't point out a mistake, he made an accusation. His statement implies that I'd deliberately went out of my way to take money out of the designer's pocket, and that simply isn't the case. I know piracy is a hot topic here, and knowing the hard work that goes into designing models, I avoid the possibility of contributing to it like the plague. I find the implication to be very insulting, and I feel his statement is an act of libel. Call it a " Tantrum " if you like.

I got some late breaking news for you bub. Your link not only contained a scan of the former retail model but the site it was on, hosts a myriad of scanned models and 'rapidshare' style links of other designer's models. So I can officially say that you did not avoid contributing to piracy, instead you have provided yet another website for others and proliferated scans of models.

This is not libel. This is a fact. Playing stupid does not excuse you from breaking rules. When I post links to models or ANYTHING, I make sure the site I link to is a reputable site that deserved mentioning. Perhaps you should use that rule of thumb.

 

[Stev0]

Nice work Jay!

Can't wait Janx! Will there be separate parts,heads and textures for the different versions?

As everyone can see from my lack of updates, I took a little sabbatical from modelling. Partly because I felt I needed to step back and just let my mind rest on the development side, partly because I started playing X3 again! and then of course work is hectic, and we're planning a trip to Europe.

For those still interested, my current WIPs include:
(in order of possible release)
1 - Beta Fighter
2 - Phalanx
3 - SDF-1 (v.2)
4 - Defender (v.2)
5 - All the others TBA

I note your list... would it not be easy to design the other destroids that share the same lower half, first?

 

[cgutzmer]

Calm down people and lets stay on topic here.

Ohgodwhy and dadragon - it can be very hard to convey meaning in a post - dont take it personally even though it may have come across to you as such it likely wasnt intended that way.



Everyone - if you see a link to a pirate model it would be preferable that rather than make a public announcement (which draws unwanted attention to the link in question before a mod or admin can get to it) how about we all agree to let the poster and a mod/admin know about it - if you can find one online at the time so much the better.

As a secondary item if you happen across a site you have doubts about - ask a mod or admin, we can likely fill you in as to the validity of the site.

Thanks
Chris

 

[ARMORMAN]

Ah....a cooler head....perhaps a chance for sanity to prevail.....

Now....what's going on with the other Macross mech designs....BTW, is there a Battroid (non-chibi) out there?

 

[ThunderChild]

Nuts, this post has become way too long. Still in speech mode I guess... (You'll know why shortly...)

i think this topic should be taken to pm or e-mail as it is ruining thunderchilds thread. which i have up to this point been following with interest. he has been doing some great things here but i will have to unsubscribe if this continues. An admin has moderated the point. if you disagree please take it to pm or i beleive there is a b***hes and gripes section.

Thanks Nothing, for the complement, as well as the fact that you said most of what's on my mind.

My previous post was an attempt at getting the thread on topic again.
NOT A SINGLE PERSON even responded!
10 posts ago (i counted them)!
Thankyou everyone who at least tried to get back on topic.

I was typing a nice looong letter to state my point of view, but after a bit of private reflection, it seemed a little Hippocratic to post here what I was getting at. So I cut&pasted my speech, and started a new thread in the appropriate forum section here: http://forum.zealot.com/t160693/

Enough scolding, This is still the best forum on the net, and the members are people I would gladly call friends.

I note your list... would it not be easy to design the other destroids that share the same lower half, first?

I tend to agree. That was my original plan too, but such things always change... Even that list you quoted has already...
I get a bit bored, or stuck with a design problem in a design and start to tinker with something else, or I get a brainwave for modeling another mech, and start research on it... (all designers should now be nodding in agreement and understanding...)

So now I sit on top of several models, in various degrees of completion. Please don't hurt me....
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A hobby is something to be enjoyed, if possible, shared. Alas, you cannot keep everyone happy, so I bump the design of the model with the most queries up my list as time goes by. As the designer I still have the sadistic satisfaction of being able to choose what will come off my (slow moving) production line next, but in general I am more than happy to try and accommodate my friends.

Ah....a cooler head....perhaps a chance for sanity to prevail.....

Now....what's going on with the other Macross mech designs....BTW, is there a Battroid (non-chibi) out there?

Thanks cgutzmer, I basically just repeated in my own words what you said, in my gripe thread posted above.

Armorman, I think a few designers are busy with it, none available that I know of... Too lazy right now to double check previous posts in this thread...

Take care guys, above all, have fun!

PS- Just another sadistic comment from my side:
SDF-1 (v.2) is printed out and ready for my initial (not even 'beta') test build...
However, Please don't ask for it yet...

 

[Soaring]

Hey,

Thunderchild, do you know if there's any more images of the VF-25? I'm sure it can be found just by Google, but knowing you guys who design, you know where to get your blueprints I'd love to try making that one.

The monster looks pretty sweet, I showed it to my little brother and he thought it was paper designed by you (Course, I told him that they were all paper....well....I'm sure they'll soon be )

Anyways, I'm waiting to see those SDF-1 v2 build pictures.

 

[ThunderChild]

Hey,

Thunderchild, do you know if there's any more images of the VF-25? I'm sure it can be found just by Google, but knowing you guys who design, you know where to get your blueprints I'd love to try making that one.

The monster looks pretty sweet, I showed it to my little brother and he thought it was paper designed by you (Course, I told him that they were all paper....well....I'm sure they'll soon be )

Anyways, I'm waiting to see those SDF-1 v2 build pictures.

Hi Soaring! I follow your threads with interest.
At present I don't know where to find any blueprints on the VF-25, It's too new I guess.

Not much, but here's what I can provide though..:
http://macrossf.com/mechanic/mecha01.html
http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossf/macrossf-index.html

The monster is plastic, not paper, but who looks closely at the medium when it just looks that good?!?

Build pics on SDF1 v.2 will come... eventually... wall1
But I'm posting 2 design pics of v.3 in the SDF thread soon. :mrgreen:

 

[Soaring]

Whoot! Thanks Thunderchild, I'll get started as soon as I find a bit more Scratch that, these images are perfect! Thank you Thunderchild!

I know it's plastic, actually I thought it was a Render But yeah, it does look good

Yaya! Eventual build pictures are always great, takes some time, so the product will be assured quality.
I'll keep a lookout on that SDF Thread, now time to zip over to those links. Thanks again

 

[cybrsqrl]

Just some pics

When I graduated from downloading and building card models to wanting to make my own, I scoured the web looking for models to practice with.
I built these for my collection using meshes that someone made for a video game mod.I contacted the author to see if he is agreeable with releasing card models of them but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'm now more into making my own meshes or drafting my models from artwork (which takes a LONG time for me since I'm learning 3d software as I go). I thought I'd share some pics of what I've built from meshes I found. The meshes ARE out there for anyone who wants to pepakura them. It's great as a learning tool but as I've found out, if you want to share all the work you've put in, your better off starting from scratch than trying to track down authors.

 

[Elliott]

Nice work Cybrsqrl! I'm not a Mecha or Gundam fan (sorry) so I don't know what your works are, but I do know that your design and build abilities are quite good. Welcome and thanks for sharing!

 

[Vortex_4200]

Nice work :thumb:
I look forward to seeing more work on the destroids, and that vf-25... wow very very nice!!!

 

[ThunderChild]

I remember you showing me those pics before cybrsqrl, As I recall, you had a few more builds... :twisted: Those are awesome builds, and I can't wait to see what you come up with next! Good job! :thumb:

 

[Janx]

Hi Thunder, just to let you guys know I have not dropped off the edge of the planet, just real life eating up most of my spare time.

The VF1 battroid is still on hold atm, been concentrating on a model of the VF2SS. Hopefully this will be modular and able to be made into the 3 modes, though fixed. It is still, despite my best efforts so far, to hi poly and too many parts. Will try to keep you posted.

 

[ThunderChild]

Man! That looks too sweet for words! Model looks great so far Janx!
I know I'm not speaking only for myself when I say: Know how you feel. Real life takes waaay to much of my time!

Thanks for checkin in buddy!

 

[Vortex_4200]

looking nice!!