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There is a big difference in designing something that has not existed, and you are it's creator, and scaling, from drawings and blueprints something that you have seen.
Do not ask for permission, and be leery of posting your reference materials. Some people think they have rights which they do not.
I am speaking of a certain person who has made demands upon me from another forum. He believes he has the right to shuttle drawings which he copied from blueprints, pictures and drawings. This kind of claim is ludicrous.
Permission is not needed, when drawings (and I have a ton of them) can be found anywhere and at NASA's website. To ask someone if you can use as reference a drawing that they copied from someone else is not proper, creates problems, and gives people a sense of "authoritative" entitlement that they do not have. American taxpayers paid for that space ship, and as such, we Americans have the right, and cannot be charged for using what we paid for. When a plastic model, or shuttle derived model is purchased, you pay for the material, the injection molds and the time that goes into making those, you do not pay for the design, under American law, that would be illegal to charge any America who has paid for this work through our taxes, of any military, or other project paid for by American taxpayers.
Now, if you're not American, well, that's another issue, and NASA can and has gone after those people for not paying royalties.
Be careful what you write down. People make fools of themselves when they make claims like this, and another model forum which is not worth mentioning loves to rip me in pieces (so they think) but I scoff at them, and their petty bickering, and constant pissing contests.
I write this post as a direct slap in the collective faces of those who disagree with this statement. I will not tolerate such behavior. Next think you know, someone will make a model of a P-51 Mustang, and think they own the rights to it. How many P-51 Mustang paper models are their? Too many.
I do not see AXM, the leader in shuttle models making such claim, and he gives away works of art.
For somebody to bitch about a 1/48th scale interior that scales up into a mess of digital blocks, at 25% enlargement is absolutely ludicrous.
This is to "Thorst".
Nobody is stealing anything from you, so stop your cry baby attitudes, you have rights to nothing, you contributed nothing in the making of the shuttle. Your statements which had been forwarded to me by moderators that I remove any reference to you make you seem a fool. I will challenge you anywhere anytime. Have the Balls and join this forum, I will then edify you as the proper way to behave. To most people I have talked to, you come off as a fool.
Join Zealot, and I guarantee you will be better for it. I may even help you correct the wrong shape of you shuttles nose, and the myriad of mistakes you have. I have 16 years in CAD, I am a Master Machinist. I have parts I personally made in the Hubble Space Telescope. I have weapons of war that I helped make which are still classified. I was working on 3D printers in 1983, when they were so secret, that nobody could even talk about them.
You are so far out of your league, I suggest you stop, now. I would gladly tear you apart for attacking ZEALOT or any members of ZEALOT.
The gloves are off from now one. Anymore of this bullshit from this forum will be taken personally by me. Those people are interlopers, they have no idea of what is going on at Zealot. it is the members of ZEALOT that are the best part of that forum and I give them credit for being the honorable people they are.
I advised them of a security leak, privately, and was chewed out by Jason publicly. His horrid management of the antiquated software they use allowed passwords to log into different accounts. It was JASONS' mistake that caused that problem, yet, for months, he had disparaging remarks about me, and all I did was let him know, out of courtesy, that he had a problem.
No more. No more. I will not tolerate any more attacks from that forum and will name the names of those people who attack me, some who don't even know me, or have interacted with me, and some, who through their self loathing, whom I have known for years, decided to become fools. I will name them and chastise them with proof. I have every email ever sent to me, and I will put them here as proof. That moderators would let bashing threads go on their shows the childish nature of many on that forum.
To Thorst, you have nothing to stand on, we never had intention of hosting anything of yours, and never did. Your model is the product of someone who has only worked in 2 dimensions, and does not understand three dimensional modeling. This forum is full of master designers and nobody here needs anything from you. Yes, ich ärgere mich, and you have no idea by how much.
ZATHROS
SENIOR ADMINISTRATOR
ZEALOT
Do not ask for permission, and be leery of posting your reference materials. Some people think they have rights which they do not.
I am speaking of a certain person who has made demands upon me from another forum. He believes he has the right to shuttle drawings which he copied from blueprints, pictures and drawings. This kind of claim is ludicrous.
Permission is not needed, when drawings (and I have a ton of them) can be found anywhere and at NASA's website. To ask someone if you can use as reference a drawing that they copied from someone else is not proper, creates problems, and gives people a sense of "authoritative" entitlement that they do not have. American taxpayers paid for that space ship, and as such, we Americans have the right, and cannot be charged for using what we paid for. When a plastic model, or shuttle derived model is purchased, you pay for the material, the injection molds and the time that goes into making those, you do not pay for the design, under American law, that would be illegal to charge any America who has paid for this work through our taxes, of any military, or other project paid for by American taxpayers.
Now, if you're not American, well, that's another issue, and NASA can and has gone after those people for not paying royalties.
Be careful what you write down. People make fools of themselves when they make claims like this, and another model forum which is not worth mentioning loves to rip me in pieces (so they think) but I scoff at them, and their petty bickering, and constant pissing contests.
I write this post as a direct slap in the collective faces of those who disagree with this statement. I will not tolerate such behavior. Next think you know, someone will make a model of a P-51 Mustang, and think they own the rights to it. How many P-51 Mustang paper models are their? Too many.
I do not see AXM, the leader in shuttle models making such claim, and he gives away works of art.
For somebody to bitch about a 1/48th scale interior that scales up into a mess of digital blocks, at 25% enlargement is absolutely ludicrous.
This is to "Thorst".
Nobody is stealing anything from you, so stop your cry baby attitudes, you have rights to nothing, you contributed nothing in the making of the shuttle. Your statements which had been forwarded to me by moderators that I remove any reference to you make you seem a fool. I will challenge you anywhere anytime. Have the Balls and join this forum, I will then edify you as the proper way to behave. To most people I have talked to, you come off as a fool.
Join Zealot, and I guarantee you will be better for it. I may even help you correct the wrong shape of you shuttles nose, and the myriad of mistakes you have. I have 16 years in CAD, I am a Master Machinist. I have parts I personally made in the Hubble Space Telescope. I have weapons of war that I helped make which are still classified. I was working on 3D printers in 1983, when they were so secret, that nobody could even talk about them.
You are so far out of your league, I suggest you stop, now. I would gladly tear you apart for attacking ZEALOT or any members of ZEALOT.
The gloves are off from now one. Anymore of this bullshit from this forum will be taken personally by me. Those people are interlopers, they have no idea of what is going on at Zealot. it is the members of ZEALOT that are the best part of that forum and I give them credit for being the honorable people they are.
I advised them of a security leak, privately, and was chewed out by Jason publicly. His horrid management of the antiquated software they use allowed passwords to log into different accounts. It was JASONS' mistake that caused that problem, yet, for months, he had disparaging remarks about me, and all I did was let him know, out of courtesy, that he had a problem.
No more. No more. I will not tolerate any more attacks from that forum and will name the names of those people who attack me, some who don't even know me, or have interacted with me, and some, who through their self loathing, whom I have known for years, decided to become fools. I will name them and chastise them with proof. I have every email ever sent to me, and I will put them here as proof. That moderators would let bashing threads go on their shows the childish nature of many on that forum.
To Thorst, you have nothing to stand on, we never had intention of hosting anything of yours, and never did. Your model is the product of someone who has only worked in 2 dimensions, and does not understand three dimensional modeling. This forum is full of master designers and nobody here needs anything from you. Yes, ich ärgere mich, and you have no idea by how much.
ZATHROS
SENIOR ADMINISTRATOR
ZEALOT
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