The old 32 to 40 foot wood and steel reefers

toptrain1

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John

John : The CM reefer is of a realy different type. I not sure, but I haven't seen photos of cars like that here on the east coast. Even east of the Mississippi. I have seen it in the clover house catalog. It is to much of a odd ball for me. It may be per civil war. I have seen reefers with one door at one end of the car side instead of the middle. It had four regular hatches. frank
 

johnflys2

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Frank

I think the C&M car is too long for pre Civil War and it doesn't have link and pin couplers. Clover House lists it as circa 1897. I made this car before I discovered Art Griffin and Clover House. You'll never guess where I found the Ute Warrior.

Last night I was looking through my small collection of photo's and found this ugly Carstens reefer with hatches at one end. But this isn't the Carstens reefer I intended to build. One other thing bothers me, is the brake wheel on the opposite end of the car? Looking at the picture, I think I see it there. John
 

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steamhead

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What's so ugly about that reefer..?? It's unique..!! If I had any use for reefers (of which I have several..) I would certainly want some like that one....:mrgreen:
 

johnflys2

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Gus

I'll give you unique. I don't think I would want one parked next to my place. But the longer I look at the picture, I see what you mean. I may have to build an ugly car some day. ;-) John
 

toptrain1

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A different reefer roof hatch arrangement


*****A different reefer roof hatch arrangement
 

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johnflys2

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Hatches

Frank, That is different. Makes me wonder what the car looks like. Something I didn't notice before, looking closely at the Carstens reefer photo a few posts back, it looks like a huge decal was applied to the side of the car and no effort to hide the edges.
 

doctorwayne

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..... Something I didn't notice before, looking closely at the Carstens reefer photo a few posts back, it looks like a huge decal was applied to the side of the car and no effort to hide the edges.

Yeah, it does look like it, but I'd guess that it's simply the edge of the background colour of the logo.

Wayne
 

toptrain1

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John and Wayne


As to my photo, I only have the roof photo. It is somewhere on the Pennsy system bacause that is a Pennsy locomotive. It is in a big city somewhere.
The decal look! If you paid someone to detail a car with your add I think you would have some kind of preservitive applied over the add to make it last. It is a real car in real environment. If it is a old company and a real advertiseing car, they just washed the add off. If it is a new company, could it be a photographic overlay.
frank
 
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doctorwayne

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That car (in the old photo) with the three hatches may not even be a reefer. You'll note that the hatches are hinged so that they open from the side of the car - this was a common practice on boxcars that were used primarily for bulk loading, much like an early form of covered hopper. These cars often were also equipped with underfloor hopper doors, for unloading and many operated in dedicated service between two related industries. One application that springs to mind is for shipping kaolin (a type of clay) from the source to a paper-making plant, where it's used in the finishing process.

Here's a scratchbuilt model of such a car, used for shipping bulk flux, on my layout:
Foe-toesfromTrainPhotos2007third-9.jpg


The positioning of the hatches on the old car don't make a lot of sense for a reefer, as the car would have three half-width ice bunkers (less cooling capacity than a car with two full-width end bunkers) and the side-opening hatches wouldn't be very efficient if the car was used in ventilator service.

Wayne
 

johnflys2

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Three hatches

Thanks Wayne, your explaination sounds logical. Nice looking scratch build. Did you build from plans or photo's? One of my future projects is a "Bay of Quinte" truss rod box car but I have very little info except for a photo of a model. The screen shot shows a Sudbury reefer ( made in Sept.08 using Art Griffin decals ) as it moves through the Port Stanley yards. John
 

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toptrain1

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Walters Beer reefers


Here are some more of my Walters reefers. In my next few posts I'll be showing my Walters Beer Reefers.
The first is Ballantine PBBX 102
Second is A different from the standard yellow and brown, the gray and black BLATX URTCo. 23211
 

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johnflys2

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Very nice collection

Frank, you have an impressive collection of reefers. I hope you have more to show as I'm enjoying viewing them. Apparently you don't have a space problem. I have to limit my railroading to virtual as I'm now in a Townhouse. John
 

toptrain1

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Question : Space problum ?

Are their space limits to threads? I am aware of the need to keep the photos smaller. Even in this thread some people have posted larger photos expanding the window so complete viewing has to be done by sliding the lower bar and viewing only parts of a photo at a time. Photo like that make viewing harder. If I have placed to many photos in a thread. I'll stop posting photos and just do text. But it is true a picture is worth a thousand words, and i really don't like to compose into words a view of a photo. frank
 

doctorwayne

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Unless something has changed recently, there's no limit on the number of pictures which you may post, and no limit on the length of a thread, either.

This forum has always been very "picture friendly". :mrgreen:

Wayne
 
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Maico Shark

Unless something has changed recently, there's no limit on the number of pictures which you may post, and no limit on the length of a thread, either.

This forum has always been very "picture friendly". :mrgreen:

Wayne

Very true and we want to continue that. The new medium is video which you can also upload into your post and that will revolutionize the model train experience here in time.
 

johnflys2

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Heinz Products

Heinz had many billboard reefers and here's an image of one as it passes through Yarmouth North bound. John
 

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johnflys2

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The last on my Heinz reefers

This is the last of my Heinz reefers. The screen shot shows the reefer as it passes through St Thomas north bound. John
 

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toptrain1

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This is happening again. Last time you restored my ablity to edit only new posts. I put up with this. Now I have to many things. New photos and discriptions to replace old ones. If I can't edit, I can't put my work here. A partial repair woun't be enought. Please fix my editing ability.
toptrain frank
 

Bill Nelson

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refer cars in operations

I just stumbled across this thread and like it a lot.


I don't have many refers (I model a railroad whose traffic is mainly logs, lumber iron ore and iron, but I do have some through traffic. In the City which makes up my northern terminus , I am working to add a coal and ice distributor, and I am adding a small icing platform, so that icing refers can be added to operations. this won't happen all the time , due to the nature of most of my trafic, but should be an interesting wrinkle to operations.


Bill Nelson
 
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