and so the talk of dead horses. sign1 For those using English as a 2nd or 3rd language: "Don't flog a dead horse." means that some efforts are futile, time-wasting - if something has been discussed completely, the topic should not be raised again. Palmer, I see now "Ghost in the Shell" is not a game. I found links to the TV shows. I also found out that the original server for those models went down permanently about Jan 2007. There appear to be no archives. The blog site has no recent posts other than yours, and some sp*m. I reckon that if a site isn't wiping out the sp*m, it's either dead, or dying. I guess, for the 'big-bad-boss' model you're after, if you post some screen captures or other pictures, you may well get some help with designing it yourself.