Amazyah
Senior Member
Papermodelstore just added the following to their inventory yesterday. Are these one in the same kit???
Russell
Russell
WAK Panzer II
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No, that's the Panzer IF, it was an upamoured version of the first German tank design after WW1. Design as an infantry support tank, produced in small numbers (30) in 1942. More at http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz11.htm#panzer1
The track from the Panzer IF you've seen already in my method for tracks.
The Panzer IIL Luchs was a final variant of the Panzer II with modified suspension and developed for the reconnaisance role. About 100 produced in 1943-4. More at http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz1.htm#panzer2
Did you notice the mistake on the cover title - "Aufs. F"?
Regards,
Charlie
The track from the Panzer IF you've seen already in my method for tracks.
The Panzer IIL Luchs was a final variant of the Panzer II with modified suspension and developed for the reconnaisance role. About 100 produced in 1943-4. More at http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz1.htm#panzer2
Did you notice the mistake on the cover title - "Aufs. F"?
Regards,
Charlie
We notice the mistake on the cover title, but we'll don't make a pdf correction on our web site ;-)
PzKpfw. I Ausf. F isn't relifting version of "panzer I" - it is quite new tank - 21 tons of weight to 4-5 tons of "normal" PzKpfw. I is a huge different - I think (I'm not tank specialist) that only turret is similar to Panzers I.
PzKpfw. I Ausf. F isn't relifting version of "panzer I" - it is quite new tank - 21 tons of weight to 4-5 tons of "normal" PzKpfw. I is a huge different - I think (I'm not tank specialist) that only turret is similar to Panzers I.
Amazyah
Senior Member
Thanks for the info guys!
As you can tell, I am not a tank expert. I didn't even catch the mistake until you mentioned it, Charlie.:roll:
I just know, I really like these armor models or "targets" to you airplane folks.:twisted:
Russell
As you can tell, I am not a tank expert. I didn't even catch the mistake until you mentioned it, Charlie.:roll:
I just know, I really like these armor models or "targets" to you airplane folks.:twisted:
Russell
Production of the Pz Kw 1 Ausf A and B, Sd Kfz 101, ended in 1938. The Pz Kw 1 Ausf F was one of 2 developments of the original that came in response to requirements issued in late 1939 for further development. The result shared vrtually nothing with the original and entered service as the Sd Kfz 265.
Similarly with the Pz Kw II, SD Kfz 121, further development led to the almost completely unrelated Pz Kw II Ausf L which entered service as the Sd Kfz 123.
Pz Kw ... Panzerkampfwagen - a fully paid up tank
Ausf ... Ausfuhrung - model or mark
Sd Fkz ... Sonderkraftfahrzeug - special purposes motor vehicle
Any inability to detect the full logic of this system is not the responsibility of the Third Reich.
:grin:
Similarly with the Pz Kw II, SD Kfz 121, further development led to the almost completely unrelated Pz Kw II Ausf L which entered service as the Sd Kfz 123.
Pz Kw ... Panzerkampfwagen - a fully paid up tank
Ausf ... Ausfuhrung - model or mark
Sd Fkz ... Sonderkraftfahrzeug - special purposes motor vehicle
Any inability to detect the full logic of this system is not the responsibility of the Third Reich.
:grin:
I thought the SdKfz 265 was the command vehicle (Befehlswagen) based on the SdKfz 101?
I agree that development of the Panzer I as a combat vehicle was ended in 1938 or so but there seems to have been a continuing development of the vehicle for reconnaissance and infantry support as well as other special task vehicles (e.g. Sturmpanzer I). The term "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.
One wonders why they bothered. It's probably fortunate for the West that the German armaments industry didn't have industrial engineers and planners as competent as the Russians.
People like Thomas Jentz have made careers, in part, on trying to unscramble the mess of Wehrmacht nomenclature.
The flyboys "target" idea might be true until it was put to the test. I think the last time there was a reasonable test of this theory was back in 1973 in the Yom Kippur war - that is, armour properly supported by air defence and missile equipped infantry. I seem to recall that the US had to replace a good part the Israeli air force's equipment. One might think there would be some pause for thought when many modern tanks can track and engage helicopters with the main gun - a 120mm round would spoil any pilot's day.
Regards,
Charlie
I agree that development of the Panzer I as a combat vehicle was ended in 1938 or so but there seems to have been a continuing development of the vehicle for reconnaissance and infantry support as well as other special task vehicles (e.g. Sturmpanzer I). The term "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.
One wonders why they bothered. It's probably fortunate for the West that the German armaments industry didn't have industrial engineers and planners as competent as the Russians.
People like Thomas Jentz have made careers, in part, on trying to unscramble the mess of Wehrmacht nomenclature.
The flyboys "target" idea might be true until it was put to the test. I think the last time there was a reasonable test of this theory was back in 1973 in the Yom Kippur war - that is, armour properly supported by air defence and missile equipped infantry. I seem to recall that the US had to replace a good part the Israeli air force's equipment. One might think there would be some pause for thought when many modern tanks can track and engage helicopters with the main gun - a 120mm round would spoil any pilot's day.
Regards,
Charlie