The Holman Horror

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  1. Mountain Man

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  2. Cannonball

    Cannonball More Trains Than Brains

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    I didn't know they had crack cocaine way back then.......
    Although they must have because somebody was definately on the pipe when they thought that up.

    Or maybe it was opium.... :p

    I'd like to see someone try and model that thing. :D
  3. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

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    What was the stated goal of all those rollers (i.e what was the pitch given to suckers, I mean "investors" ;))?

    Andrew
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    sumpter250 multiscale modelbuilder

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    Yup! sign1 :twisted: sign1 :twisted:
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    beamish HO & Steam Engineer

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    I have put in a request with my mechanical engineers at work. I am asking them to explain the benefits of these locos? I will keep you guys posted on the results.
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    It will be very interesting to see if a decent engineer can come up with a good explanation for that..........Thing :mrgreen:.
  7. Mountain Man

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    From what I could understand, the 'pitch' was that by transferring power to the smaller wheels, speed and power would be increased somehow, while ignoring principles of friction, center of gravity, stability in curves and even the basics of simple maintenance.

    However, it seems some other designers were serious about this sort of thing:

    http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/gaugechange/gaugechange.htm
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    During the 19th century there was a lot more "magic" and a lot less science involved in much of what went on. There was also much less regulation of everything. The government didn't bother with swindlers unless they used a gun to steal with. Mark Twain lost his fortune investing in an automatic printing press that was so complicated that it spent more time being repaired than it did actually working. Once the transcontinental railroads were in place, the railroads needed to sell off the land the government had given them as an incentive to build. Much of the land they had was good farm land, but some of it was desert. They sold off parcels of desert property by telling the gullible that it didn't rain there because there were no crops to water. That if an enterprising farmer just planted a crop, the rain would come! Any body who can come up with an idea and draw a picture or have a picture drawn can get a patent. Once they have a patent, all they have to do is form a corporation and sell stock in a company to make the product. Once they have gotten the money from the gullible, the swindlers take the money, the company declares bankruptcy, and the investors are left holding worthless paper.
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    You mean like modern government does today! If we build this zillion dollar Bridge To Nowhere, people and businesses will come! :mrgreen:
  10. beamish

    beamish HO & Steam Engineer

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    SO the response i got back was simple. The engineer says that the mechanical idea would be that it should go faster, but he didn't think that would even work. He said it sounds like a far fetched prototype that some sucker would go for.

    In summary he says SCAM!
  11. Mountain Man

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    Sure it was, but it was actually built in 1887 by the Holman Company and run several times in order to promote sale of stock. Building a locomotive that actually runs just to swindle people is a pretty elaborate scheme!

    And - it led to this fictional locomotive drawn up and presented in the Railway Gazette of December, 1931. The specs are quite funny.

    http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/fictional/fictional.htm
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    The one difference is that our government is expected to waste money. They don't try to entice me to buy stock in the government boondogles however.
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    What is the connection between the government and the Holman scam? :confused:
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    No connection Mountain Man, just a response to your post #9 in the thread.
  15. Cannonball

    Cannonball More Trains Than Brains

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    MM- This is a pretty facinating website you posted.
    I've been going through some of the strange locomotives and just been spellbound by the ingenuity that went into some and amazing supidity that went into others. :D
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    eightyeightfan1 Now I'm AMP'd

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    I was just thinking that it'd be cool to get a loco that. Might have to get a bachmann 4-4-0 and try, lol.
  18. Mountain Man

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    [​IMG] Left: Imaginary rack locomotive
    Apparently capable of climbing 34 degree gradients
    By Sigi Strasser, artist of Vienna.
    <H6>Picture in Vienna Technology Museum. Author's photo. </H6>



    [​IMG] Left: Another imaginary rack locomotive
    This one is apparenly intended to work on level track as well.
    Of course there have to be some compromises...
    The text is readable (just about) on my original photograph. One day I may get round to translating it.
    By Sigi Strasser, artist of Vienna.
    <H6>Picture in Vienna Technology Museum. Author's photo. </H6>



    [​IMG] Left: The grappling-hook locomotive
    For really severe gradients
    By Sigi Strasser, artist of Vienna.
    <H6>Picture in Vienna Technology Museum. Author's photo. </H6>


    [​IMG]


    Or do you mean one of these?
  19. Cannonball

    Cannonball More Trains Than Brains

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    Good Lord!
    It's a giant mechanical spider!
    Somebody kill it before it breeds! :eek: