Cool! Thanx for the heads-up Jay! Checked the first site I thought you were talking about and got it! PS- For everyone waiting for the destroids, I'm going back on my word. I'm still struggling with designing the moving parts, so I decided to cheer myself up by finalizing the re-modified, non-movable, easier to build Defender. I fixed the legs, simplified some parts and will start the thread hopefully this weekend. Thunder Thing I ponder most lately: Why is there such a thing as a "work" and a "job"? It just keeps us from what we really want to be doing anyway!