Reccomendations For My Logging Area...

Discussion in 'Logging, Mining and Industrial Railroads' started by Lighthorseman, Feb 4, 2003.

  1. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am in the process of trying to figure out what to do with my future logging area on my layout. The area I have to work with consists of a 2 by 4 foot space. Wouldn't be too bad in HO, but I'm trying to get something going in O scale.

    I'm hoping for any helpful comments or ideas.

    Here's an overview picture of the area I'm working with.

    Attached Files:

  2. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'd like to have a relatively simple log-loading area portrayed. I'd like to have a spar tree...about the base size of the stump, and two loading tracks; the two upper ones. The lower track goes through.

    Does this look like there is enough room? Does this look plausible?

    Attached Files:

  3. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    In this upper area, I'd like to have a sloping treed hill...perhaps with a "high lead" suggesting that logs are brought over the hill from elsewhere to be loaded here. Suggestions?

    Attached Files:

  4. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here's a look at the approach from one side...

    Attached Files:

  5. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    ...And the other...

    Attached Files:

  6. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    One last look at the general area...

    I'm looking forward to any ideas. Thanks!!:)

    Attached Files:

  7. shamus

    shamus Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2000
    Messages:
    3,688
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi Steve, just my thoughts, but I have drawn on one of your photo's what could be done. Hope it clear enough for you.
    Shamus[​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Attached Files:

  8. sumpter250

    sumpter250 multiscale modelbuilder

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2002
    Messages:
    3,221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Steve,
    You are facing the same kind of problem that made me think twice about doing a lumber switchback in 2' X 12'. In O scale you need a lot of "real estate". I like Shamus' idea with the high lead, and hills, but I think trying to include a sawmill in the same scene would be too much. A very small mill would need 8" (32') X 16" (64'). Then, you need the log pond, or some other kind of log transfer, and some means of shipping out the cut lumber.
    I'd go with Shamus' idea, minus the mill. you could have the mill "off layout", and model only the log pond on a siding somewhere else. In this case, have your spar tree at the top of the hill, and switchback up to it for log pickup. Your trains wouldn't be that long, and you could use a fairly steep grade up the switchback.
    The alternative would be to have your logs coming in from "off layout", and use the space for a mill. Remember, your mill has to be a little over three times the length of your delivered logs. You need over a log length from the pond, to the headsaw, and over a log length from the head saw to the cutoff saw, and over a log length from the cutoff saw to where the cut lumber is handled.
    A 24' log, is 6",so 6+" before the headsaw, 1"-1.5" of headsaw,
    and 6+" after the headsaw.
    Oh, the other problem I had with the O scale switchback was that I could do a better one in HO, and it could be tied in to my other modules, and someday even be a layout!
    Pete
  9. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks for the comments! Shamus' idea is roughly what I had been thinking...minus the sawmill. I'd like to have a log dump elsewhere, and would someday like to scratchbuild a sawmill, but I'm nowhere near that good yet.

    I have roughed in the hill, and the spar tree will be going approximately where the stump is in this picture.

    Attached Files:

  10. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    In this picture, the dowling is to represent the "average" tree thickness. I'm hoping to be able to post some progress in the future, if anyone's interested.

    Attached Files:

  11. jon-monon

    jon-monon Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2002
    Messages:
    4,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thots:

    You will have more area, real area and the apperance of more area, if you make the mountain steeper and taller. This won't give you any more area for trees, since they grow straight regardless of grade, or for buildings, since you have to carve a flat spot for them. But it would look bigger and give you more area for scenery. You could start at the edge of the layout, go up steep, and "blast out" the areas where the track is. Another thought is to place an unpowered track up high, where the pink is now, then you can set a crane, crew car, rollin stock, etc. up there. The end on the right should dissappear into the forest or a cave, so it appears to come up from the main line. The real, powered tracks could also be elevated slightly.

    This is a mirror image of shamus's track in a blasted out hillside (sorry big guy, I'm assuming you approve):

    Attached Files:

  12. shamus

    shamus Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2000
    Messages:
    3,688
    Likes Received:
    0
  13. jon-monon

    jon-monon Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2002
    Messages:
    4,764
    Likes Received:
    0
  14. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    Okay, let's see...
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "You will have more area, real area and the appearance of more area, if you make the mountain steeper and taller. You could start at the edge of the layout, go up steep, and 'blast out' the areas where the track is."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ...This is a great idea. This little logging area is already up on the "high line" of the layout, and as it is, the top of the hill is higher than line-of-sight already. However, I think that a steeper, "cliffier" slope would be a great idea. The logging area is already clinging to the edge of a cliff, as the ground lower than this area is steep. Thus, your cliffs continuing upward is a great idea...way better than some gentle slope.

    Next...
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "This won't give you any more area for trees, since they grow straight regardless of grade, or for buildings, since you have to carve a flat spot for them. But it would look bigger and give you more area for scenery."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ...I'd think that regardless of slope angle, the trees will take up the same space. I do not plan to have any buildings on site, just a donkey and maybe a small shack or two. The premise is to be that the crew hops on the log train in the morning, goes over to the site which is not too far away, and comes home with the train.

    And Finally...
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Another thought is to place an unpowered track up high, where the pink is now, then you can set a crane, crew car, rollin stock, etc. up there. The end on the right should dissappear into the forest or a cave, so it appears to come up from the main line.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ...And come to think of it, this idea would be GREAT for forced perspective, don't you think?

    Thanks for the great ideas! Can't wait to work on this!
  15. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well, following those ideas, I popped into the layout room and re-positioned things a tad. Here's the result.

    I moved the hill back a bit, effectively making it a bit steeper, positioned some rocks and "tree trunks" for the general idea.

    Attached Files:

  16. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    Most likely, I'll put another rock wall along the back wall here, where the arrow is. I think that it will angle down to the left.

    Attached Files:

  17. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    And finally, up toward the top of the hill would be a good place for a forced-perspective track...maybe HOn3??

    Attached Files:

  18. Lighthorseman

    Lighthorseman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,387
    Likes Received:
    0
    A slightly different view of the log loading area...

    Once again, anyone have ideas? It's GREAT to have input so that the final result will be better than whatever I would have initially come up with.

    Attached Files:

  19. jon-monon

    jon-monon Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2002
    Messages:
    4,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Loookin gooood! If you want more slope, and maybe room for a few more trees, without going up to high, you could have it slop down below the benchwork on the front. I don't see people do this much on the "edge" of a layout, but I plan to, and I might even take it all the way to the floor.

    Great idea on the HOn3 track!

    [​IMG]

    Pico makes the coolest looking HOn30 track :)
  20. sumpter250

    sumpter250 multiscale modelbuilder

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2002
    Messages:
    3,221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Steve,
    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who plans by "piling-up" a scene to see how it might look. I like the technique because I can modify things, and positions of things, until I'm happy with what I'm seeing. Then I can go ahead and build the scene.
    Pete