i am just sick of hearing that! everyone say they are just "toys" i beg to differ!, back in there day, back in the 1940's and 1950's Lionel was the top of the line trains out there, and the most expensive. they was the best detailed for the day. the most realistic on the market. there was many adults making adult layouts with them, most kids did not have Lionel trains, most could not afford them. most ended up with the cheaper more toy like marx trains. Lionel did not become "toys" until HO scale came out. sure Lionel postwar looks like toys compared to a lot of the new stuff today. but this new stuff was not around back in the 50's now was it, you can only use what there was. if you ask me marx trains are the "Toys" Lionel was the "models" what says you!?! comments welcome, from all, the newer guys and the older guys that may of bought the postwar stuff brand new.