Is Ho The Same As 00??

Discussion in 'HO Scale Model Trains' started by Daniel Finn, Aug 26, 2004.

  1. CharlesH.

    CharlesH. Member

    Aug 1, 2004
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    I was actually thinking OO. I have some 1939 Model Railroaders and many of the plans come in the "3 popular gauges"- HO, OO and O. Lionel produced a Hudson, a few freight cars and a caboose in that scale for 3 or 2 rail operation. They weren't produced after the war and they occasionally pop up on eBay.
  2. pjb

    pjb Member

    Dec 22, 2000
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    Charles H is absolutely correct. LIONEL , in fact, made 'OO' scale
    equipment in the Great Depression. This included a scale NYC "Hudson", which is interesting because they also introduced a
    scale 'O' scale "Hudson" at this time. Both of these locomotives,
    command astonishing prices on the "Collectibles" market.
    They did not produce any 'OO' scale equipment after World War Two.
    Carl Appel, now deceased, is probably the first well known
    model railroader to emphasize prototype operations. His two
    "NORFOLK and OHIO" model railroads were both 'OO' (i.e. 4mm=
    1ft. on 19mm gauge trackage). Allen McClelland, Koester, and
    others all credit him with leading the way. He was a W.V. jeweler by profession* , and used LIONEL 4-6-4s and Famoco 4-8-4s for
    passenger and manifest freight service. He scratch built exquisite
    N&W and C&O articulateds and other locos, when he needed to.
    His fantasy empires were based upon the N&W and C&O operations in the Appalacians.
    His last pike featured the Williamston, W.Va. N&W facilities which
    were on a mid river island, among other things.
    The scale may have not had many followers on this side of the
    pond , but its follower(s) had a profound effect upon revolution-
    izing how model railroaders approached the concept of a layout.

    If you GoogleUp the "SCALE 4 Society", you will see that
    that protoscale 'OO' is alive and well in the British Isles, and the
    76:1 scale is very well supported by a host of models of all
    kinds. LLedo's "Trackside" series is die cast vehicles made in that
    scale, so the mid twentieth century and earlier epochs are
    well covered. Protoscalers, regardless of scale, attempt to
    model the exact relationships appropriate for that scale. Many
    widely accepted train components are used throughout the
    world that are not true to scale. Most notably by toy train makers,
    but in some places the errors have become institutionalized
    (e.g. 'N' scale in Japan, and U.K.), to the point that only by
    going out of ones way to become a scratchbuilder, can one
    have true scale components of ones prototypes.
    Good-Luck, and yes, LIONEL manufactured 'OO' scale trains
    at one time, - PJB.
  3. jetrock

    jetrock Member

    Dec 19, 2003
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    Supposedly the reason why British OO runs on American HO track is due to the difference in size between British and American engines--Brit manufacturers had trouble fitting the larger electric motors of the day into the small boilers of truly HO-scale models of British engines. In traditionally bigger American engines, there wasn't a problem. The solution was to continue to use the same (HO scale) track but make the models a bit bigger, with a smaller gauge, in order to create proportional UK engines. Of course, there is no need to make engines larger now, other than the fact that there are now quite a few decades' worth of British OO equipment floating around in circulation...

    American HO, with the wider track, is a different beastie entirely. My dad has a couple pieces in the garage, but that is all I have ever seen...