Greek Bireme or Trireme

Discussion in 'Ship & Watercraft Models' started by cdavenport, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. cdavenport

    cdavenport Member

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    Anyone know of a freebie or something that comes close to looking like this? I have built the JSC model (nice indeed) but I need something of greater simplicity for a middle school student.

    TIA
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  3. cdavenport

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    Many thanks! Basic indeed, but perfect for a 13-year old's school project.
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    I think I just spied some ideas for my Nephew's future science projects.
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    Took a look. It wouldn't take to much work to bump this model up a notch or two.. With some color and 'real ores' or at least cut so they appear separate. You could make a pattern for the ores then with a fan fold you could make all the ores in the same position but keep them attached (handle end) to make for easy gluing.

    Is the person that is making the model 'Computer Graphics Savvy' ? Wouldn't take me to long to come up with a fan fold ore pattern. If you're interested?
  6. zot

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    A folded oar pattern would make a good addition to this model. It says there are 13 ships models associated with the Conquest of the Mediterranean game that the trireme was meant for. Sound kinda cool. Don't know if it's worth what they're asking for it though.
  7. THE DC

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    Thanks for the thread tip!

    I'd been looking for a Greek ship and your tip might provide the basis to start a mod off the boat!


    Much thanks!

    sign1


    The DC
  8. Bill Nelson

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    Roman Seas

    Google Roman Seas. I found lots of card model stuff there when doing research for my Plank on frame Bireme scratch build. ships are designed for wargaming, and can be made to look very good!


    It floats! I'm trying to make an r/c mechanism to make the oars go.


    Bill Nelson- mainly playing with trains, oover in the logging, mining and industrial subdivision.

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  9. cdavenport

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    I may have just the thing for you in that regard. I have a plastic kit made in Korea for a Kobuksan, which is Korean for Turtle Boat. It's the first ironclad, 350 years before the Monitor & Merrimac.

    It has a motor driven unit that drives a set of oars. In fact, it not only moves the oars back and forth, but they lift and rotate. I have no desire to sell the model, but I could get dimensions and pics for you so that you could replicate the mechanism. It's really quite clever.
  10. cdavenport

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    The Schreiber kit is a real beauty and nicely detailed to boot. It must be a nice model because someone stole mine after I completed it. Nice compliment in a twisted sort of way.
  11. Bill Nelson

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    I think this is a Trireme here:
    http://jtdigest.narod.ru/dig3_02/museum1.htm
  13. cdavenport

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    Excellent! Thank you very much! Better than I expected for sure.
  14. davelant

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    I'd like to see some of those details on the Gubuksun model. My wife is Korean, and I've already built two commercial paper models of the ship from "Papermagic":

    http://www.papermagic.co.kr

    and I have a wooden kit on my to-do list, from the Korean company "Young Modeler." I've never seen the plastic model.

    There is some debate about, well, almost everything having to do with this ship. But specifically, galley style rowing with the oars straight out the side of the ship might have made the top deck uncomfortably crowded. It's been suggested the oars may have been angled back, and pulled in the "yuoh" style of rowing, which is a propeller-like, sculling motion. I'm still trying to figure out how I could mechanize that motion for a rowing model.
  15. cdavenport

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    Davelant, you made my day. I have been searching for a Korean card model company for years. I guess I should have asked. I spent 3 years in Seoul attached to the US Army at Yongsan and fell in love with Korea.

    Give me sometime to sort out the directions and get the rowing section built up and photographed. But, this model has designed into it a clever rowing mechanism that does exactly what you described. In fact, the model even has a separate mechanism for blowing smoke out of the dragon head's mouth just like the real thing.

    According to the histories I read back in the day, the armored turtle deck was never intended as a fighting platform. The spikes were intended to deter potential boarding parties, and the armor was sloped to defeat enemy shot and arrows. The one analysis I read suggested that archers were to engage the enemy fleet and set it afire, which is what apparently happened. Admiral Yi Soon Shin was a man before his time.

    Regards to your wife and scoop some kimchi up for me!
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    The Korean turtle ship looks like a fantastic model. But I can't seem to get anywhere on the website, it keeps sending me to some travel site?!?!
    Is it possible to order these models from the US??
    Chris
  17. cdavenport

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    Davelant, I reread your post after perusing the Korean site. You said that you built both boats. What is the difference between the two? Any recommendations?
  18. davelant

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    The turtle ship paper models from PaperMagic are a small one that builds up to 25 cm long, nominal 1/70 scale, and comes on six sheets plus one extra sheet. The other is 38 cm long, nominal 1/50 scale on 15 sheets plus one extra. Both come with pre-perforated parts, and are made to go together without glue (tab and slot construction) but everything fits nicely and a little glue will help, especially when you're putting all those spikes in the armored shell. I procured mine from

    http://Aladdinus.com

    a Los Angeles based dealer of Korean merchandise. This was some years ago. Call them; they speak English. I think they have the big one:
    http://www.aladdin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?isbn=5000006012
    and the small one
    http://www.aladdin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?isbn=5000006011

    For search engines and Google, it's important to have this word:

    거북선

    which is Gu-Buk-Sun, turtle ship.

    I'm sorry I don't have a build picture handy; I donated the small one to the local Korean school, and the big one is on my wife's office desk. They're both nice.

    I also know another Korean paper model company, 3DPaper, but they deal mainly in figures. Again, it's nice pre-perforated parts, but made for glue construction.
    http://www.3dpaper.com/
    I made one of their girls:
    http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/davelant/?action=view&current=archer1.jpg

    This RC build might be of some interest to Bill
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421729&page=2

    And at the risk of droning on too long, I wish I had a way to get this wood kit:
    http://koreakit.com/product.php?id_product=10
    The exchange rate with the won is very favorable now.
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    Thanks for the information! I am in LA a lot, so I'll try to look them up in person! Maybe they've got a few more surprises in store!
    Chris
  20. Bill Nelson

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