Grain Elevator/Mill

Discussion in 'Scratchin' & Bashin'' started by Nazgul, Dec 31, 2007.

  1. ChadYelland

    ChadYelland Member

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    At that time a lot of grain was bagged at the threshing machine and hauled to the mill in 2bushel sacks, cut open and dumped into the pit. some would be by flare box wagons in bulk. Boxcars had wood and paper doors fixed with double headed nails inside the sliding ones about 2/3rds the height and the grain spout was directed in the side doors. roof loading came into practice here in the 60's or later here.

  2. Nazgul

    Nazgul Active Member

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    A lot of great info flowing here!

    Chad...Thank you!
    nkp174...The mental challenge was thinking I could do it!:cry:
    Josh...Where you been?!....I was getting worried!:winker:...Thanks for the kind words Buddy!
    Gary...Thanks...the finish was was "improvised"...glad it worked:oops:
    Roger...Thank you:thumb:
    Budflygy...welcome to The Gauge!...and Thank You!:thumb:

    and last but not least.....
    CJTK1701....you asked if the templates were going to be made available.

    I have always done my best to share all of my work (at least the stuff I thought was worth sharing:winker:) here on The Gauge. That's what this place is all about. Having said that......This project is very special to me, for a number of reasons. It is my first scratch-built structure and even though Kurt did the drawings....I feel that I got a chance to do it the way I wanted. I never fully felt that with kits (even though I repaint and/or kitbash them). This is probably going to be the signature structure on the new layout I will be starting very soon (the track plan is complete:thumb:).

    For these reasons, I hope that you, and anyone else wanting templates, will allow me to be "selfish" this one time, and understand when I regretfully say no to your request:oops:. I have caught the scratch-build fever and I promise that as I do more structures, I will pass along what I can, to whomever asks:thumb:.


    small update....

    I added a little variation to the weathering on the roof panels:

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  3. modelsof1900

    modelsof1900 Member

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    Thanks to Andrew and Chad for your detailed comments.
    I think unloading a full boxcar of grain must been an endlos job, shovel and shovel and shovel and each time the grain flows away.

    Bernhard
  4. nkp174

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    I think Chad & Andrew are correct.

    I don't know much about 19th century grain hauling...but I do know about some similar operations.

    Most cars were not stacked full...the weight limit was reached first. Instead, a boxcar might only have a pile of ore (or something) over each truck. Almost everything was shipped in sacks. I've seen evidence of 19th century boxcars having horizontal, internal siding running 1/2-2/3 of the way up the car sides.

    Things that weren't either valuable to steal (gold) or in need of shielding from the weather (grain, lime), were shipped in gondolas...specifically coal.
  5. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

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    Perhaps you and Bernhard can offer it as a craftsman kit...! ;) :D

    Andrew
  6. CJTK1701

    CJTK1701 Banned

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    That would be interesting, it's such a fine bit of work.
  7. modelsof1900

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    Andrew,

    thank you very much for your mean that I could change an original drawing to a craftsman kit.
    However what is the speciality of such a craftsman kit? I think this are a few drawings showing different sides, a step by step description and bundles of stripwood - and most a few detail parts also.
    Or what is the specific of templates?
    I'm not sure that I could write such a description based on an theoretically built project. I start all my projects based on origial drawings but I must change also parts from time to time in size or in materials also so I think that the development of templates is a more practically oriented job - for mine. How can I give a help nevertheless?

    I'll like to repeat Steve's source for his project.
    Historic American Buildings Survey/Historic American Engineering Record (HABS/HAER) (American Memory from the Library of Congress) - type "wollenberg grain" in the search box.
    There you can find the excellent drawing - also in high resolution. I think that this is the best source you can find for this project.
  8. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

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    Bernhard, Kurt, and Steve,

    Re: craftsman kit - sorry Bernhard, I incorrectly identified you as the source of the drawings, when it was Kurt (and the online source noted by Bernhard). Apologies to Kurt too...!

    However, I stand by my assertion that you have the beginnings of a kit of excellent quality. Perhaps you want to pursue it with a laser kit manufacturer, or put something together yourselves.

    I had the chance the other night to look at a Bar Mills Kit (Wicked Wanda's in O scale). The kit materials are good quality, but nothing you can't find a number of places. What sets it apart are the drawings, photos, and instructions that are bound in a book (a BOOK! :eek: ) that comes with the kit.

    Since you have an excellent model, with some historical background and drawings, you are most of the way there. Even if you put only the instructions, photos, and drawings with a list of suggested materials, I bet you'd have more than a few takers... :)

    Andrew
  9. ocalicreek

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    Dadgum, Steve! I go away on vacation and drift away from checking The Gauge regularly and you go off and become a scratchbuilding master! Very excellent work. I can't wait to see the plan for the layout. No, really, post it ASAP! I also appreciate all the punny comments people make...outstanding in its field...'shelving' a project...hardy har har har. A great group of folks on this forum and Steve, you are one of them! Keep up the great work!

    Galen
  10. Grain Baron

    Grain Baron A newbie to MRR

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    Excellent model...
    Some details for you to add some day:
    On the car loading side, the doors facing the tracks used to have a small narrow deck projecting off them. In the days of box cars, the deck might have had a small hinged section that could get the staff up close to the box car doors to help them coopering. The deck and drop down section were normally wider than the doorway, and had a wood ladder attached the the wall to allow staff to climb up from the ground to the deck as they worked on loading and moving cars. Just as you have installed.

    The lower section of the elevator you built looks like a bagging and store room where grain was bagged and stored before being loaded into box cars (early early years of grain shipping). It would also have the same deck and fold down.

    The decks were generally cantilevered off the main floor of the elevator, and decked over with 2 x 4 with a gap between them to let water/snow melt off.

    The fold down sections often had counterweights using wire and pulleys to help ease the agents load on lifting them back up into place.

    And again....great job.

    Check out the Country Elevator Historical Society for a grea supply of photos. The Country Grain Elevator Historical Society

    GB
  11. sgtcarl

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    What a terrific building! You guys are all so awesome! I'm an old guy just getting started, but what a great inspiration! Excellent craftsmanship!
  12. Nazgul

    Nazgul Active Member

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    I thought that I had posted pics of the signage that complete the Mill....but I guess I didn't. These were taken today. If I were doing it again, I would probably make the "W.B." a little smaller......but it's growing on me:winker:

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  13. e-paw

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    looks great...
  14. jesso

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    Looks spectacular! That turned out well! Now, the bigger question: Have you started a layout to put it on?
  15. UP SD40-2

    UP SD40-2 Senior Member

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    AWESOME Steve, SLAP AWESOME JOB!:bravo:

    REAL GLAD to see your posting a little more often too:thumb: .
    BTW, i like the large WB:winki::mrgreen:

    :deano: -Deano
  16. ocalicreek

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    Lay-out, Lay-out, Lay-out, Lay-out...

    The natives are growing restless, Steve.

    The WB...wasn't that a network? But seriously, it's distinctive and unique is often more like real life than what manufacturers dream up in order to appeal to the most people.
  17. cnw1961

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    Every time I see your Wollenberg, it blows my hat off, so to speak. Fantastic. I think I would have made the "W.B." smaller, but the large "W.B." looks perfect – good decision :thumb:.
  18. Ralph

    Ralph Remember...it's for fun!

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    Beautiful work. My hat is off to you!
    Ralph
  19. steamhead

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    All the superlatives have been taken...:cry: So I'll just say.....

    !!!!!....WoW....!!!!!!

    Great stuff....!!! :thumb:
  20. fsm1000

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    WOW and double WOW Steve. I am officially impressed [and jealous LOL] :D
    Great work there. :)