Galeon San Salvador Hybrid

Discussion in 'Ship & Watercraft Models' started by silveroxide, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    You do such good work all the time, I think people forget that it is because of all the effort you put into you projects. All these steps you show document this, and are quite informative. Proof that these wonderful models you make don't come together by themselves. :)
  2. silveroxide

    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    San Salvador

    Thanks for your kind words Rhaven. I haves stayed away from building masted ships because I could not compare my ship buildings skill to that of Doris. She has her techniques and I have mine. Hers, really do belong in a museum. Besides this one is a gift to my son in law, whenever I finish it. These models do take their time in the building process.

    Thanks again Zathros for your words of encouragement. My build process are done on purpose and you can see that my photos are also done in a smaller format so as to not take up too much bandwidth. They also load and upload faster in this format. With my build threads I tend to show that any model can be made by using your imagination to enhance it. Also my build threads are also a tutorial in their own way. As mentioned above, this model is taking its time in developing and I can see why some take a year or more in the making of one. Believe me, my urge to stop and build something else in between is strong but I resist going into another build and leave this project for later down the road.




    An now, for some more updates on the build and a few more techniques to boot. Checked the fitting of the mast. Lost the photos of the bell build up but the bell was done in the dremel and shaped. The archway of the bell housing is a mixed laminated paper and a carved wood arch. The basket build will continue with the next posting.

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  3. silveroxide

    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    More updates on the observation basket (crows nest). This photos have two versions of the crows nest. One has less slats to the top section than the other one. I may place the missing slats later on. The finished basket is made from card stock and the later, is a mixture of wood and cardstock. I am still working on the masts and developing the connectors to the yard arms and booms.

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  4. silveroxide

    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Big slow down making the deadeyes. First they are small and drilling is a bit harder than I thought. Made two kinds of jigs which I will show later when I get to that stage. Both of them are adequate but getting the eyes even is a slight problem. Here is an update on the build. For the basket support, i used a straight pin to hold the part steady while the glue sets. The pin will stay in place. The bowsprit had a tendency to slide to the center of the keel. I used a sharpie pen as a wedge to keep the bowsprit in place while the glue sets.

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  5. terrinecold

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    I don't understand how you are holding the bow sprit. won't the pen make it lean to the right?
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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    The bowsprit is not centered on the keel line, It is offset to the right. the wedge is there to stop it from leaning to the left and to keep it straight parallel to the keel. If you check out the plans, you will notice that the mounting hole for the mast is off to the right of the keel, not on the same line as the keel.
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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Here is another update on the build. I designed a jig for a more suitable deadeye but that will come later. For the chain plates, I do have scaled size chains but decided for the plate version. I am lucky in that I have a hand anvil I found at a flea market years ago. With the small ballpean hammer, I can flatten wire to imitate parts. Later on, I will be using it to flatten some more wires and construct the hinges for the rudder. For the plates, I kept the upper portion rounded and did not flatten it so as to not cut the ropes with it later due to the sharp edges.

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  8. micahrogers

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    You have all the cool tools :p
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    thanks it clarifies it.
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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    And now for another field expedient tool. I made this one first and it is adequate but way to slow for the making of the deadeyes, If you make the deadeyes out of solid dowels, it will work much better. With the laminated parts, You have to be extra careful. The slowest speed of the dremel will tear the part up if you are not careful. I had to resort to a very slow speed drill for this. A push drill will work much better. This is only one version but I designed a multiple holding block which I will post next.

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    Here is the jig that I settled for in the deadeye construction. With this jig, I can make 6 deadeyes at a time but you can accommodate a larger piece for more pieces if you wish. You will have to make two stop wedges at both ends or one in the middle, it all depends how big a jig you want to make.

    This build will probably take three postings to get all of the information in. What is good about this version, is that the pieces fit snug and do not spin around if you make a mistake. Some pieces will no doubt be damage but the mass production will even it out.

    Another good thing about this jig, is that with the dowels, you can push the parts out when finished. When the dowels have too much damage from the drilling, you can replace them easily with another dowel piece. So here is the first batch of photos on this jig.

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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Continuing with the deadeye jig. This jig came out good. Later I will make another that looks less rustic, but this rough one did the job. The dowels must coincide with the deadeyes. The dowels must also be cut or trimmed off with the deadeye in place. If this is not done, the the dowel will too long. The reason for the dowels to be trimmed, is that the jig must lay flat and if the dowels are too long, the deadeyes will no be able to be placed into the drilling holes. There are a couple more photos for the next posting. Stick around and see you all there.

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  13. Zathros

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    That first time you put her in water to she if she will float is really going to be hard! tooth1


    La primera vez que la puso en el agua para ver si ella flotará va a ser duro! tooth1


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    Cool tools and cool skill
    good building
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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Actually, the hull is well sealed and the outer shell is made of wood. The only problem, will be the ballast and it may turn over.

    Thanks, it is just items that I look at and think of how they can help me in constructing a better model.



    Here are the final photos of the deadeye jig. The last photo is at what stage the ship is. I will post a few more photos later on but the ship will be in drydock for a couple of weeks while I take a sabbatical, but I will be back later with more especially in the rigging department.

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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Be sure to go to the introductions and introduce yourself. Read the rules and policy build your posting up with a minimum of at least 10 full viable posting. Hopefully you will be able to check out the photos. I have over 200 pictures and still counting and I am too lazy to place them all together into one PDF file or folder. Someday I may get around to doing that but not at the moment.

    And here are the final photos in my inventory for the moment. You can make out the finished deadeyes in this posting. I will not get around to working on the ship until the 20th of Feb this year. I am still on my sabbatical.

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  17. Rogerio Silva

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    No words...

    Silveroxide,

    I'm really not a ship model guy (although from a Navy past), and I have never worked with wood, but... YOUR WORK IS jawdrop!!!! Let me go back to my little corner of shame...:cry:
    How cool can a model built from scratch be? I guess this thread is the answer. :cool: :thumb:
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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Muito obrigado (Thank you very much). This is also my first time in transferring a paper model into a scratch built wood model. I am still looking at reference material for this model.


    In the continuing saga of the San Salvador build, I have ran into various rigging descriptions so I will use the ones that seem logical in this build. Here is the start of the standing and running rigging starting from the prow, or beak. One of the first glitches, was in the Crows nest. The ratlines are supposed to go through the support brackets and the tied inside the observation bucket. I compromised and placed a heavy thread through the support brackets. this will serve as the connection point for the ratlines and the bottom standing rigging going to the bowsprit.

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    silveroxide Well-Known Member

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    Time to resurrect this thread again. The photos will not upload, :boom: so I am forced to refer you all to PM or dakkadakka for the updated photos. As soon as the site is up and running properly, I will update and upload the photos. i have a bunch of stuff to upload and more build threads to make but I am holding them back pending the upgrades. Thanks for looking in and hope to see some more stuff coming this way.
  20. zathros

    zathros -----SENIOR---- Administrator Moderator

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    There is a new member i have recomended this boat too. Unfortunately, he can't download the longitudinal planking I made for it, of course, since you used real wood, you did not have the problem of vertical lines making this is probably one of the finest builds of this model. :)