Eastern Tn logging on the DG CC & W RR 1928

Discussion in 'Logging, Mining and Industrial Railroads' started by Bill Nelson, Dec 15, 2008.

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    Bill. You and the Doc are in a league of your own....!!
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    sml #41rdy.jpg progress

    I got the other side of the 2-6-6-2 done, including the #2 pencil graphite job. I found a good can of dullcoat to protect the dry transfers & the graphite Job.


    I have been working putting the outside bracing on the ore transfer in Ridgemont. Looking for dome details for it, a door casting, and some stairs and railing, I found the NWSL axle gears for one of my MDC shays. had been looking for them for a long time. when I built the locomotive it ran ok with the MDC gears, so I didn't bother to replace them. Recently three out of four of the MDC gears split, so even with the gear reduction motor, it ran horribly. so there is a chance to get it fixed up. I'm hoping to get it to run as well as #8, also an MDC 2 trucker, with NWSL gears, a walker conversion boiler , which backdates the locomotive to pre 1911 and increases the weight considerably) and a gear reduction motor. more on #7 comes out of the shops. I got lots of locomotives, but when #8 is right I think it's Dr Tom' favorate, as it is slower than Christmass, smooth, quiet and pulls like the dickens,


    Bill Nelson
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    Zealot is not cooperating, won't let me post the next installemet of the 2-6-6-2 story. I"m going to see if this quick reply will get their computers out of whatever rut they are in. I can see a preview, but the submission doesn't take
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    That did the trick, the stuff was posting on page 5, which zealot would.t show me. I got the duplicates deleted . if the notices confuse you you're not as confused as Iam.
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    Hey Bill,
    I was having the same problems yesterday with postswall1wall1wall1.
    I like the 2-6-6-2. Did you put sound in it? Sorry I missed Choo Choo Club......it was New Years Eve and I spent the evening with the Missus and had my annual Jack "Black" Daniels drink to usher in the new year.balloon6
    Looking forward to more logging related activities in 2009.
    Doc Tom
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    sml ftot.jpg sml r ot.jpg Yes

    Yes there is sound in that tender. we will see how bad or good it sounds after Blair tweeks the cv's, and find out if I should have spent a little more and got the Soundtrax decoder.


    I likewise missed the train club, and if you only visit Mr Jack Black on New Years eve, perhaps it's time you upgrade to maker's mark, Henry McKenna, or even Knob Creek. (several years ago Knob creek was the smallest distilery in the country, they trippled the size if thier distilery, and were still the smallest!)

    More work done on the ore transfer, still needs a roof, some more stairs, and the conveyors, but here are some picks

    the 2-6-6-2 is ready for testing @ the club, and MDC shay #7 is on the worlbench to get NWSL axle gears. once it runs well again I might have to do some detail lettering and painting for it, as it used to be almost as well behaved as #8, just a little faster.

    Bill Nelson
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    Hey Bill,
    Just supporting a local Tennessee product with the Jack Black and it tastes pretty good as a "sippin" beverage.

    My hot shot lawyer son likes the fancy Makers Mark from up Kentucky way.

    Never heard of Henry McKenna or Knob Creek......though Knob Creek would make a good location name on an HO logging RR.

    Hope to see the 2-6-6-2 in action this week at the club RR.

    The ore transfer looks nice and I like all the rusty red ore ...or tailings???? lying around the place. Love the mess industrial RR's have strewn about!!!!
    Doc Tom:wave:
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    sml18 #7 & #15.jpg sml p giz.jpg ore

    Tom. that's Iron ore, that's what is says on the bag. the transfer has got a dusting of red primer from a spray paint can, to give it a little tinge of red from the ore dust.


    #7 is together, it shakes a little, @ slow speed , so something needs tweeking. I tested #8, and it is still fine, so being parked for too long hasn't hurt it. #7 needs me to finish the paint job, as well as trying to isolate where the shakes come from.

    one of the next locomotive shops jobs I have to do is to get # 18 dissasembled, the worm gear is loose on the shaft, the set screw is stripped, so it will take another spot of glue.

    besides the photo of the MDc shays (And # 15 behind them), I found another camera angle on Perry's Gizzard

    Bill Nelson
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    LOVE THOSE SHAYS!!!! and the cool bridge. Looks good:thumb:.
    Doc Tom:wave:
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    Tom loves the shays!

    Yes Tom I know you love the shays. I'm ****** @ roundhouse for not selling the kits, as I was ready to build up another two for the Mountain, to give the Brass a rest. I also thought it would be fun to get two three truck kits , and make a two truck and a four trucker out of them. Roundhouse used to be fantastic about parts, and who knows how Horizon is going to be. I'm also unhappy with them for discontinuing their Hon3 stuff, their trucks were really good, and I had some kitbashes in mind for the 2-8-0 like what lives @ the club. also the discontinuation of kits, especially the 3 in one kits, and the truss rod box cars which made excellent truss rod flats with a little work
    This trend toward RtR really ****!

    I might get # 7 to the paint shops today

    Bill Nelson
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    sml#7boiler.jpg fresh paint

    I got some fresh paint on # 7, while looking for that donkey crew I found it's original boiler, so I took a photo of the dull side of #7, which shows the boiler shape better, along with the original boiler.

    The domes come with the conversion boiler, the stack and headlight came from an AHM J W Bowker . Not only does the conversion boiler look good to my admittedly reactionary eye, but it wieghs twice what the MDC boiler does, helping make these little critters into hill monsters.

    Bill Nelson
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    That is a nice looking model. Hope to see it running soon. Maybe we should take the plunge and offer up one of the MDC Shays to Blair for DCC and Sound. I'm game to try it but was thinking about "rail slider" pickups to encourage better electrical conductivity.

    Doc Tom:rolleyes:
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    sml group  photo.jpg woods crew group photo

    some of the guys who didn't make the selection to be on the big donkey crew, ended up working in the woods @ Terrapin knob. they posed for a group photo, after felling the biggest tree on Iron mountain

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    Nice work Bill!!! That is one big tree those little guys felled. I would be proud and pose for a picture too after that monster fell.
    Doc Tom:wave:
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    That scene has been in the works for a long time. I left a gap in the forest, so it would be possible to see the top of that hill, where I want to have more logging scenes. including some skid roads, and another high wire operation that could carry logs to the main line just below the 1st sander's ridge tunnel. that would block the main when log cars were loaded, but there is no room for siding there, and that might be an interesting operational monkey wrench to throw in the works, in the very unlikely case that someone actually got comfortable operating on the mountain division.


    Well that Gap in the woods started to look unnatural, and so my tiny brain started to ask the question "what makes a big hole in the woods", and after a long time of asking myself the question I figured that the answer was a really big tree that is not there any more.

    Now if you look at that trees neigbors, the big ones are pretty big made with hydrocal on wire frames. Way way back when I was working on a logging scene, My Mother cane in and said " That's not right!" She picked up a log off a Keystone buggy, held it up to a puny comercial HO tree, and said "How are you going to get logs like this out of trees like that? She then went and brought me a coil of wire, and showed me how to twist out a wire frame for a tree that was big enough to get logs out of.

    So a bigger than average tree had to be humongous! I bought a bunch of Balsa blocks, and the larger elements of that tree are carved from balsa blocks; once down to the smaller branches, sticks and twigs do the job.

    That scene needs ground cover, and I'll have to figure out how to model the brush smaller limbs with leaves still on.

    I'm not real satisfied with that picture, My 8megapixel camera doesn't always auto focus right, and has been taking fuzzy closeups I need to go on line and check a manual, and see if I've got some auto focus option that will work beter, may shoot some with my 6.3megapixel camera in the mean time. I really want to get one of those 10megapixelSLRs, but am too cheap.
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    sml#2grpphoto.jpg smltrfr#2.jpg smltrfr#3.jpg smltrkbfrt1.jpg more shot of the woods on Terrapin knob

    I got a shot from a slightly different angle, and better focus- it's possible my focus broblems are battery related, my rechargeable bateries apear to be as weak as rainwater.

    besides that I took a photo of the backside of that hill, where the loggers are further on in their work. and a picture of that hill to the left and the right of the group photo scene.


    This is a relatively small area, fitting inside of an 18 inch radius circle. Most of the big trees on my layout are on this hill; and the various views offered are one of the main focal points of the railroad. The scenes scream Big Woods!, and the big trees help give me cover for the much smaller trees used in abundance elsewhere.

    Note the whole top of that hill comes off. you can see the line in the rock if you look carefully. It doesn't come off much, as it weighs a ton, but there are places I couldn't get to otherwise.


    Tom's RR winds through massive wooded mountains and valleys to establish the nature of the forest he is harvesting, Tom has woods that are bigger than my whole railroad room. I have had to try to compress that feeling into one little area, and this is it.


    Tom has modeled forests, and I have modeled trees, and we have both come real close to getting the feel we wanted to get.


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    Hi Bill,
    That is a nice story about your mom. I always wondered where you got the ideas for the wire armature trees. It is true that in the mountains of East Tennessee there were legendary monster hardwoods scattered about. I am glad to see your success in modelling them.
    Doc Tom:wave::wave:
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    sml smg or gizz.jpg smlGiz:wld:ridgmntWsmaug.jpg SMLoretransfrA.jpg sml Riglgreload.jpg New angle/ Smaug's view

    Late night out last night out @ Dr Toms C&S for a little operating session. (Tom, Jennifer put the top down on the miata for the ride home). I got up early to load the woodstove, and was limbering up and getting tanked up on tea, getting ready to cut some firewood when the bottom dropped out. The heavy rain made me cancel my firewood plans, so I started getting my workbench ready for the football game this afternoon.

    We had some light bulbs out on the chandaleir, and It was time to change all the bulbs to dalyight bulbs to help my wife fight seasonal affective dissorder, so I raided the compact flouresents to replace some of the bulbs out in the RR room.

    The DG CC & W is light by flouresent lights under the upper decks, and by track lights on the ceiling (I want to add flouresents to the ceiling too, but that will be a big operation)

    way up by the ceiling I realized I had some interesting views, so I took some photos with the camera almost touching the ceiling. some of these came out well enough for me to share. They include clear photos of Smaug one of my more elusive residents, up on his favorite perch; up on a ledge above the South fork ov Crooked Creek, before in plummets int the Gizzard. He isn't real obvious, but he Has a comanding view of the Gizzard, Sander's gorge, Terrapin knob, Ridgemont, and the valley below.

    While up there i got shats of the ore transfer and the log reload that give a little better idea of how the narrow gauge fits in to the bulk materials operations.
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    Very cool aerial views there Bill. Glad you got a little moonlight last PM. I enjoyed seeing you guys at the operating session.
    Doc Tom:wave:
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    Say, your guys might wanna go wrangle that dragon up to help light boilers in the morning ;)

    Awesome stuff!