Designing the Su-7, Su-9, Su-17, Su-22 and MiG-21

Discussion in 'Gallery & Designs' started by Paragon, Oct 5, 2007.

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  1. Lex

    Lex Dollmaker

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    ...So you mean even copying the design process is plagiarism, eh? Then I'd be sure Halinski and GPM would be filing numerous lawsuits against each other by now... ^O^
  2. Coot59

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    Paragon,

    The bottom line is you have to do what you are comfortable with. While I think that you are being too restrictive on your self, I can respect that. Models of all sorts are similar in build and parts lay out. After all there are only so many ways to design a fuselage in paper, plastic, or even metal.

    Many thanks for all the great models. I really enjoy them and will be very greatfull for any others that you release.

    Thanks again and Merry Christmas
  3. Panzerbeto

    Panzerbeto New Member

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    Ojimak and Plagiarism

    Lets stop this nonsense discussion please.

    Every person who publishes in the net is worried about others using their hard done job to get glory for free = plagiarism. However, every free available program or design has a small print agreement for it's use:
    -Any modifications to the same has to be done with previous permission of the original author = Paragon did it!!
    -Nobody should distribute it without giving credit to the original author = Paragon is giving it.
    -Nobody should obtain economical benefit from it = Paragon is not doing it.
    -If the basic data is modified and put to a different use (ie. different object), then is a totally new object, and as long as the original inspiration source is recognized, there is no criminal intent = Paragon has been very transparent on giving the sources of his inspiration, and that only gives additional credit to Ojimak's outstanding designing abilities.

    A way of avoid missunderstandings is to put a small piece of text in the finished PDF explaining :

    "Designed by PARAGON based on a model of (XXXXXXXXplane) by Ojimak (Ojimak‚ÌŽ†”òs‹@), with his permission"

    That shoul make happy everybody.

    Please Moderator give us a light if this is not the way things should be done.

    Carry on with your wonderful creative wave Paragon and delight us with those beauties.
  4. Paragon

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    Update: the Chinese swing-wing is nearly done. I'll probably add a few more minor parts for it to make the swinging wings work a little better. I was going to start on the Mystère yesterday, but I realized I don't have enough really useful resource images of it. I looked around at my typical resources and couldn't find any. Those of you looking forward to the Mystère, help me out if you want to see it anytime soon.

    I'm also considering a fifth plane as well. Like the Mystère, there aren't many useful resource images, but in this case I won't wait for more detailed drawings, because they aren't really out there. Once again, my interest in the fictional, concept, and non-produced aircraft has taken hold, though I imagine this one will garner more attention than some of the others I've done. So, next up will be the Blohm und Voss P.212 Luft '46 fighter that never reached production.

    Then, of course, I have to color all the models before I can release them. Perhaps the set of five (including the Mystère) will be ready for download on Monday.
  5. Paragon

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    Quick update:

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  6. edi

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  8. Paragon

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    Yeah, those are all the images I already had.
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  10. Paragon

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    I'm having a hard time navagating that site, does it have images, and where can I find them?
  11. edi

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    Tunnan and Vautour

    both are in 1/144; the Vautour was to build without any problem, the Tunnan I`ve to build twice, caused by my nonconcentration.
    Thanks Paragon for this beauties

    Attached Files:

  12. Stormeagle

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    It has a truckload of profiles.

    You first choose the era ad the general type of the aircraft and then from the list on the left side you choose the exact aircraft.

    It shows you in the middle of the screen the different countries for which it has profiles for this aircraft. You choose a country (flag) and then on the right hand side of the screen you get a list of the different profiles for the chosen country, with a page count in the extreme right. You click on these pages and you get small previews of the different profiles.

    Finally you click on any of the small previews and you get a new window with the profile enlarged. Any new pickings you do in the small previews, will just update the image on the 2nd window.

    I hope it 'll will help you out.

    Another way is to go at the home page, choose Catalogue, pick a region and then a country and you get the listings of all the aircraft profiles in the site for this country. Pick any one aircraft and you skip some of the levels I described above.

    Good Luck!
  13. Paragon

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    Alright, I'm back! And I have good news! I've got some files that should prove helpful with design of the B&V P.212 and Mystere, so they will definitely be next. I am, however, still working on my very detailed build of Jaybat's Galactica, though that is almost done (just have put on some more guns). I may take some time to build a more detailed Raider and to actually build the Heavy Raider, but we'll see.

    Stormeagle: thanks for the link, but all of those images seemed to be side views, and I needed top and bottom views as well. Thanks anyway.
  14. Nothing

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    paragon ive got a book that has 3 view lines of just about every plane.i can scan them if you ever need one.
  15. edi

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    really very good news; Thanks Paragon
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    Give me some examples of the Mystere then, so I can see what they look like.
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  18. Paragon

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    Rand McNally Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft? I have that one too. What confused me was that those two are different from the ones on the internet.
  19. Nothing

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    thw encyclopedia of militery aircraft by enzo angelucci
  20. Panzerbeto

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    I have a few sources

    -Angelucci's collection
    -The Complete Book of Fighters-William Green and Gordon Swanborough
    -The Encyclopaedia of World Aircraft-Paul Eden and Soph Moeng
    -Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft-Bill Gunston
    -Aircraft of the Fighting Powers(War time publication, so not always accurate but all drawings in large size) Volumes 1,2,3 and 6

    etc. I don't want to boast but I have 2 walls of my living room covered in bookshelves and half of that is on airplanes, and still have half of my library in boxes in the attic waiting for permission from my missis to convert a good portion of the ground floor in library.......or moving to a larger house!!!!

    Most of the aviation books are on Luftwaffe subjects and other air forces, and just a couple on comercial a/c. Many modelling magazines, Air Enthusiast, Squadron, Profiles, and a bunch of old Airfix Magazine from the 60's and 70's. I have suscription to Tankette (general interest on armour with many drawings), TNT and Histoire de Guerre-Blindes et Materiels (this last two are in french on armor also)

    The rest of the library is Uniforms, AFV, Word War One, Ships, Cars and some militaria.

    Also have a big display unit (second hand from a previous Cristal Shop) full with Plastic and paper models at 1/72nd scale and also 1/72nd Diecast cars and 54mm lead figures. Very bad thing having such a broad interest, as I don't yet know if I will ever display my B-52 and C-135!!!

    That has prevented me from building a lot of planes lately, as 1/72 scale tanks and vehicles use a lot less space!!!!.

    Any obscure planes give me a boost to dig into my pile of reference, as long as they get some historical background, so any one needing info just let me know.

    Panzerbeto
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