Designing the Su-7, Su-9, Su-17, Su-22 and MiG-21

Discussion in 'Gallery & Designs' started by Paragon, Oct 5, 2007.

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  1. Paragon

    Paragon Active Member

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    I've sent CGutzmer a new version of the Boeing 2707, this time in Delta Airlines livery. No idea why I like the old Delta schemes, I just do. I don't even really fly Delta, I usually take Southwest! :p
  2. Dyna-Soar

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    I've also submitted my second design, the X-30 NASP.
  3. Elliott

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    X30 NASP approved!

    Elliott
  4. Paragon

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    Images of the model I just designed today. Go back to page 19 if you want to see where it came from.

    Anyway, its the Vautour:

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    Paragon Active Member

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    realyy good looking. this might be my first civi model!
  7. Paragon

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    What, the Vautour? Its an old French bomber.
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    the l1011. the new posts werent ther when i replied so it got bummped down.
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    Vautour

    it`s agreat pleasure to see the Vautour, and certainly I`ll build it:thumb:
  10. Paragon

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    Ok, a little news:

    For some reason, I haven't finished the Vautour yet, though I've begun designing the J-29 Tunnan. It should be a relatively quick design, which is why I'm saving images of the design process for those of you who, like Arjun, wonder how I design the models. I'll probably start a new thread for it. I expect to have the first prototype at least printed out, and hopefully have the walkthrough thread up tonight.
  11. Gomidefilho

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    Wow! Great Work in Vantour Paragon! I Hope to see in Israeli Colors!!!! And two seater and glazed nose version! The vantour is a french bomber of 50's Is a UNIQUE papermodel of this plane!!!!
  12. Paragon

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    Ok, I finished the design walkthrough thread, which goes through the entire design process of the J-29. I hope it helps those of you who are curious as to how I desing models! http://forum.zealot.com/t154894/#post776547

    Tomorrow I'll color both the Vautour and the J-29, and possibly include some variant parts for the Vautour.

    Also, some images of the new J-29:

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  13. Lex

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    --I really feel it's time to bulid an air fleet... :D
  14. Paragon

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    I'm starting to consider a website for my models now...
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    New Web Site?

    Pragon,

    That is an excellent idea!
    Good luck with that.

    All the best,
    Bengt :thumb:
  16. Paragon

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    I just made a list of all the models I've designed so far, which includes some of the variants (though not color variants). Its...impressive, now that I actually look at it.

    1. F-25
    2. F-86
    3. MiG-21
    4. Su-22
    5. Su-7
    6. Su-9
    7. X-Su-17
    8. MiG-19
    9. MiG-15
    10. MiG-17
    11. IAR-99
    12. A-10
    13. J-14
    14. Jaguar
    15. Tornado
    16. E.E. Lightning
    17. YF-23
    18. B-58
    19. L-39
    20. MiG-23
    21. MiG-37
    22. F-105
    23. F-105 “Wild Weasel”
    24. U-2
    25. SR-71
    26. A-12
    27. YF-12
    28. M-21
    29. D-21
    30. SR-71B
    31. V-22
    32. Boeing 2707-100
    33. Boeing 2707-200
    34. Boeing 2707-300
    35. DC-10
    36. L-1011
    37. Vautour
    38. J-29
  17. Bengt F

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    Paragon´s Card Models

    Way to go, Paragon!

    That is indeed an impressive list. That is material enough for a couple of web pages . . .
    I look forward to your upcoming page. Perhaps there is also room for some commercial models, so you will get something back?

    All the best,
    Bengt :thumb:
  18. Paragon

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    You think people would pay for my models? I've been reluctant to consider doing that...simply because I personally have never bought a cardmodel myself, I've only built free ones so far. It would certainly be nice to have a little supplemental income, especially considering the time I spend on these... If anything, I might ask for donations.
  19. Jaybats

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    great work, and in so little time! :thumb: i haven't been looking around the forum much lately, so i was surprised to see this explosion of aircraft.

    i recommend that you release the MiG-25 Foxbat and the 2-seat MiG-31 Foxhound nonetheless. they are obviously different aircraft, and anyone who's actually interested enough to look for either an F-15 or MiG-25 could not mistake one for the other. there is absolutely no basis for his prohibition, ultimately the only one that can legally prevent you from releasing the plane is the Mikoyan-Gurevich Aircraft Corporation. he's out of line on this one, none of the aircrafts' designs are his, he can only claim the specific 2D patterns that he designed. just from looking at the photos, any structural similarity between his F-15 and your MiG would have to be internal. nothing of his F-15 pattern could possibly appear in the MiG. while i agree that there's a need to protect intellectual property rights, that protection should not be used in a way to stifle true creativity and free expression. if this is his position he might as well prevent the release of the Tornado for being similar to the F-14, or the YF-23 for being similar to the F-22, or any of the other aircraft you've done for having wings, fuselages, rudders, and elevators.

    just my 2 cents.
  20. Paragon

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    Photos aren't really enough to determine how similar the 2D patterns are in this case, you have to actually look at the patterns side-by-side, and in this case I don't really think Ojimak is being incredibly unreasonable, especially considering that I specifically used the F-15 as a sort of base when I designed the MiG-31, to help with the shapes for the model. Ojimak employed a method of construction for the center fuselage plus the intakes/engines in his F-15 that was ideal for the MiG-31 as well. The result was my tracing the parts in photoshop, stretching them, and then inserting the new textures details for the MiG. Just to show what I mean, here's an image comparing the similar parts from both models. The colored parts are from the F-15, the white parts are from the MiG-31, and as you can see, there is more than a slight resemblance.

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