Bombardier bi-levels on eastern commuter service

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  1. csxnscale

    csxnscale Member

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    I wonder are Bombardier bi-levels seen on eastern commuter railroads.
    Eathern has nice sets of these in N-scale, but I think they are all western or Canadian.
    Am I missing something ?
    Paul
  2. Agatheron

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    They're definitely used in the Toronto cooridor (GO Train), which I suppose is Eastern, but it is Canadian as well.

    They seem to be in use in Dallas (TRE)... and Florida (TriRail)... I can't get into the Bombardier site to confirm if there are any other Northeastern US customers.
  3. Arlaghan

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    Yep. I live in Florida and see the Tri-Rail Bombardier cars all the time. They use F40 with a rather interesting paint scheme to pull them...

    http://www.tri-rail.com :wave:
  4. Agatheron

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    I got into the Bombardier site. Despite being Canadian, much of their rail stuff is used extensively in Europe. Their Bi-Level coaches are used in North America only though...

    In terms of "East" Toronto's GO Transit and Florida's Tri-rail are the only ones that make use of it. Curiously enough in an almost identical colour-scheme (green & white), and same locomotives too... Dallas, and the west coast from California to British Columbia make heavy use of these...
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    I think, though I am by no means certain, that the high-level platforms employed by most (if not all) Center-City stations in the Northeast corridor would preclude the use of the Bombardier Bi-levels, which can only utilize low-level platforms. I am not sure if overhead catenary also might limit their use (are they taller than Amtrak's Superliner's?). I believe that the LIRR is getting bi-level coaches soon, but I don't think they are Bombardier...
  6. TomPM

    TomPM Another Fried Egg Fan

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    I was thinking the reason they are not used in the east particularly the northeast is clearance problems as cpr_paul commented. I would assume that tunnel clearances maybe a bigger problem that catenary and platform clearances. Many of the tunnels in New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington are very tight with the equipment that is currently running in them now.
  7. acsxfan1

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    VRE uses them on their Fredericksburg to Union Station run .. i believe
  8. cpr_paul

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    According to the VRE website, their new bi-levels are from Kawasaki.

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    They look nice!

    VRE also has some ex-Metra gallery cars...
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    acsxfan1 New Member

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    Thats true .. the Kawasaki cars run on both MARC and VRE .. but VRE is also leasing some Bombardier Sounder sets ..
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    I stand corrected! Sorry acsxfan1, I didn't delve deep enough into the VRE's website to find out this:

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    No problem ..

    I used to ride the Kawasaki cars on MARC until I started work closer to home . they are sweet riding .. but do tend to "sway" a little ....
  12. csxnscale

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    Thank you all for your answers.
    Guess thats why Metronorth don't use them.

    Paul
  13. Gary Pfeil

    Gary Pfeil Active Member

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    Metronorth? Ah, I was not replying because I only knew about ex NYC trackage, which definately doesn't have the clearance for these. That's why the NYC never had dome cars. ex Pennsy track coming into New York thru the tunnel had the same problem. But I don't know about the rest of the Northeast.
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    platforms

    While most of the platforms that GO Transit uses are low, just above rail height, they have added a lot of higher platforms sections with ramps for the "accessibility" cars. These are about half a car long. One door in each train is designated accesible and the conductor fits a little ramp between the doorsill and the platform for wheelchair access. I don't know if this is as high as a high platform. The doors on the accessible cars don't have a post in the middle of the doorway. The newer accessible cars (25xx series) have a washroom on the lower floor, instaed of on the mezzanine level. The cab cars have accessible doors as well, but I've never seen a ramp in them. Cab cars have a cab where the washroom is on the normal coaches.
  15. csxnscale

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    Thanks again to all of you, you've been a great help.
    Paul