Atlas Shay

Discussion in 'N / Z Scale Model Trains' started by billk, Oct 10, 2003.

  1. billk

    billk Active Member

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    Anybody catch this from the Model Railroader site's report on the Las Vegas show?
    http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/004/610levco.asp

  2. davidstrains

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    Even though I am not into logging - this may be one of those "get it because it's there" loco's. I can probably find a place for it if I just try.:D :D :D :) :)
  3. Jim Cullen

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    Although I couldn't use one on my layout, I'm glad that Atlas is doing a Shay and I hope it sells well so that they are encouraged to do more steam. Jim
  4. Matthyro

    Matthyro Will always be re-membered

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    I hope these show up in Canada soon as I could definitley use a couple in my logging section.
  5. brakie

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    Those HO guys is going to flip out over this..
  6. Dan Vincent

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    A Shay in N-scale is long overdue. The Pacific Coast Shay or Western Maryland #6 were large locos and could easily be done in N.

    Hopefully this will open the door for other logging locos in N.

    Way to go Atlas.
  7. screwysquirrel

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    HO guys

    who wants to bet they'll be Kitbashed into HOn30 Shays rapidly?
  8. sumpter250

    sumpter250 multiscale modelbuilder

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    Do you have any idea how hard it is to land a flip with a broken ankle, in a cast!!!!??:D :D :D :D
    Just exactly, how long is a heartbeat??:D :D
    Actually, with the expectation of building an N track module, the thought of an N scale shay.........ooooooh, the possibilities.
    Pete
  9. Dan Vincent

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    Just Curious.....Atlas usually announces a new loco in HO first and then comes an N-scale version.

    I wonder if Atlas will also make an HO version of the Shay.

    Any rumors?
  10. roryglasgow

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    Bachmann came out with an HO-scale Shay a while back, which, as I understand it, is supposed to be pretty good. Also, I think MDC has Shay models, as well. I guess they didn't see a point in making another HO-scale Shay.

    I remember a while back someone on the Ask the Bach-man board laughing at another guy for asking if anyone had any plans for making an N-scale Shay. I guess the joke's on him! :)
  11. billk

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    Doesn't Atlas have a "reputed" policy of not duplicating another manufacturer's product line?

    I better go back and look, Rory, that may have been me!:D
  12. roryglasgow

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    I don't know if they have such a policy. It kinda makes sense, though, unless they can make a better version than what's already available...
  13. Dan Vincent

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    Shay built many locos of various tonnage. Almost every Shay differed from each other.

    I know the "Pacific Coast Shay" was an attempt to make a standard loco but even in that group were many differences.

    I have a book, "Shay, Titan of the Timber" by Michael Koch that covers the history of every Shay made and history on how they went from this company to another.

    If you are in to Shays, this book is a must.

    Any model company who would not make a Shay if someone else made one would be like saying only one company will make EMD, Alco, GE or Fairbanks-Morse diesels.
  14. txcavgr

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    billk

    Atlas did have a policy of not duplicating efforts. Last fall though, on the big board Paul Graf posted that N scale had gotten to a point where they were now willing to consider making models already or previously available.

    I am hoping they do the GP38-2 and the F40 - both are deserving of the loving attention to detail and paint that Atlas gives their models. And of course, factory DCC!!! WOO-HOO!

    The shay should be a stunner if they can pull it off. I suspect they will.
  15. sumpter250

    sumpter250 multiscale modelbuilder

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    The preproduction model of the Atlas shay, is all brass. The production run will be cast metal, and plastic. The drive, is similar to the MDC HO shay, in that the axles are driven, and the line shaft is moved by the bevel gears on the wheels.
    Atlas had the brass one on diaplay at Trainfest. They hinted that a late spring release was possible............That would make me happy, but then again, I'm not holding my breath.
    It's one sweet looking little shay!
    Pete
  16. Cinnibar

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    Gentlemen,
    My big question would be - what it will cost? To my knowledge there are three companies that make N logging locos, Small Scale Logistics http://www.smallscalelogistics.com/ , Aspen Models Climax, and Republic Locomotive Works. The Small Scale Logistics and Republics do not have operating gear trains. No whirling gears is O.K., I guess, but a Shay without the whirling gears? SSL’s and RLW’s are doable for under $300.00 so if you can live without the rotating spur gears and shafts they would be tolerable. Aspen’s Climax’s go for over $400 in kit form! All of the above makes me wonder what the Atlas Shay will come in at price-wise. Being an old manufacturing guy I know the zillions of design engineering, manufacturing engineering and process engineering hours that are no doubt going into this Shay, not to mention tooling costs. It makes me shudder just thinking about it all. To my way of thinking the success of the Bachmann, Kato and MDC steam has been that they can be bought for $100 or less. If Atlas’ Shay comes out priced at $500, collectors and those with large amounts of expendable income will be the purchasers not guys with moderate hobby budgets. I've seen the Shay at N-Scale Supply's web site and it will indeed be a beauty, but it seems impossible that it will be priced anywhere near what I would want to invest. Only time will tell but - what do you all think?:rolleyes:
  17. Tyson Rayles

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    I agree with you in that it will probably be $500 :eek: or more. So right now I care less about it, because even if I could easily afford that kind of money, I'm too cheap :D :p :D to spend even half that much for something like that. :)
  18. Cinnibar

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    The Shaymaxler Spared

    Tyson,

    Maybe Atlas will surprise us and it will be $59.95! Dream on Cinnibar. I suspect my Shaymaxler need not be worried about the scrap yard for awhile. However I was checking Republic and they have the Climax at $59.95 powered by a Z scale F-7 chassis that is another $100. So one could have a “HO MDC” looking Climax in N scale for around $160. That’s not too bad. If you’d care to look ............
    http://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com/show_item.php?ItemID=480&CategoryID=1 ;)
  19. Darkelf

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    Don't forget gang - most of the previous shays have been brass - that includes the items from Aspen.

    You can do the RLW and SSL shays for under $200. Additionally, none of them have been mass-produced by a larger manufacturer.

    The Atlas shay is not going to be brass but plastic and white metal. Additionally, it will be mass-produced. Both of these should bring the cost of the unit down. I don't think it will be near the $500 mark at all - if it is, I think Atlas will be sorely disappointed in their sales... JMHO

    Regards,
    --Greg
  20. Tyson Rayles

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    Here's a standard gauge Class A Climax that cost me about $25 to build. The mech is a Life-Like SW9/1200 with the flywheel, she's a great running engine even at low speeds in the yard. For more info go to page 6 in the scratching and bashing forum, the thread is "N-Scale Climax?".

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