Those are the only manufacturers I could find for code 83 turnouts, if there are others please enlighten me. I've pretty much decided against hand-laying my track due to time constraints, and since I have a supply of Atlas code 83 flex track I thought I'd look for turnouts to go with it. I like the idea of the spring-thing in Peco to hold the points against the rails since I like manual turnout control, but don't like the price. Does anyone else have this feature? Some people swear by Atlas, some swear at it. Also, since I'll be running some small switch engines I think a live frog is a good idea. Micro Engineering and Walthers/Shinohara seem to be comparable in price, are there major differences between them? I'll probably only have ten or twelve turnouts, so price per isn't a HUGE deal. I do want something that is bulletproof, I don't want track problems down the road. I don't mind a little tweaking beforehand like soldering jumpers and stuff, I don't think electricity should ever have to pass thru a purely mechanical connection because that's the one place you'll get crud/glue/mouse droppings. Once it's in place I want it to outlast me, and any problems with the track must be my fault not the fault of the track. So given my givens and druthers, what brand would you recommend?