I think these are superb for the price. I bought a 12 pack and I am very satisfied. The only draw back is the plastic wheels but you will have that unless buying top shelf freight cars anyhow. :thumb: Note:9-28-05 My Kadee ultra packs, & 33" wheels came in today so I thought I would go ahead and put the trucks, wheels, & couplers on the finished models....NO screws...even though the directions say they are included...there are some plastic truck pins but no screws for the draft boxes. None in any of the packs! Guess I'll have to order some. Booooo!