1:50 B-Wing Fighter

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  1. Tirick

    Tirick Member

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    Apologies to those who are on both sites... this is a repeat of another post.

    I'm may not be terribly focused, but rarely do I sit idle, and rarely do I have less than a 1/2 dozen projects on the go at one time or another. While waiting for my muse to kick in with other projects, I've started a new one; as the title suggests, a 1:50 scale B-Wing fighter from Star Wars. I'm not too far into it, and I imagine the model alone with take the better part of several months, but progress threads are fun to watch, so I thought I'd share this one. I've attempted several projects this large before, but have yet to complete one. I think now I have enough experience to give it a solid shot at the least.

    This will be quite a large build, despite the moderate scale. The fighter is reportedly almost 17 m long, so once built this will stand at about 30-32 cm in length. I'm planning several elements into her; detailed cockpit (with pilot), opening canopy, rotating gyro-mounted cockpit assembly, landing gear, and opening/closing S-foils.

    As you can see, I've the cockpit gyro-mount mostly modeled, although I have to model the hinges for the canopy yet. The assembly as shown will be a little over 10 cm long, and I have a number of detailing elements to add yet. I've also added (today) the engine cowling rough-in and the base for the engines themselves.


    Enjoy!
    Sean

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  2. wedge

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    Hello Tirick , B-wing is one of the most interesting and beautiful starfighter from SW :p I REALLY want to thank you for this project... you have a new fan in this :thumb:
  3. ekuth

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    Welcome back, Sean, and thanks for putting this up!

    Looking sweet... I'll be watching this one. I always liked the B wing design.
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    Nice rendering - the unfold should be very interesting.

    Yogi
  5. Tirick

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    I must agree, it is probably #3 on my favorites of the SW line of fighter/type ships, and sorely underdone. There are a few paper models of it already, but nothing on the scale/detail that I intend here. Rather than mod one, I figured I'd just make my own!

    Mm... missed the nasty kerfuffle; fortunately I suppose, although it has left me with two excellent, yet oddly tied, forums to post on. Feel like a dolt repeating posts, but I know there are some members who are not on both.

    I agree, the unfold will be... interesting. I'm trying my best to design with the card model in mind, leaving gaps where I expect card/paper thickness and gluing/cutting errors to creep in. This will be a big model though, so I am contemplating a full prototype print before UV texturing. I hate having to go back after I'm already textured something.

    Thank you for the encouragement!
    Sean
  6. wedge

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    I have one audacious question :p Is there some opportunity to create this model in 1:48 ? There are some free models ( Moldy Crow from milleniumfalsehood for example ) in this scale and it would be nice to have them in the same scale :rolleyes:

    Off course the decision is only yours ... :thumb:
  7. Tirick

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    There would be about 1 cm difference between 1:50 and 1:48 in the overall length. Once I have it in .pdo format I imagine it would not be a a lot to release a separate scale, but it depends how concerned you are with the difference. I like 1:50 as it works better in metric; besides all of my paper protagonist miniatures are in 1:50, and I intend to make one with the B-Wing pilot uni, although that too could be scaled.
  8. wedge

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    You are right , 1 cm makes no difference :p So please share with us your progress , because we really like it !
  9. Tirick

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    :D Scale discussions are always fun...

    I've made a little progress, modeled and then remodeled the struts joining the engine to the cockpit and then detailed the engine housing some. In the last pic you can see some of the panel build-up sections that will be added. Hard to see in the render, but they will be laminate panels much like the studio model. I plan to cover most of the wing sections and engine sections in these, to add to the model realism.

    Enjoy!
    Sean

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  10. Millenniumfalsehood

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    You will have saved me $80 on the Blue Moon 1:48 B-wing. Thanks! :mrgreen:
  11. Tirick

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    Not much to report; This week has been busy with my 1:50 Rebel Pilots (of which a B-Wing will eventually be added). I've finished the basic curvature of the hinges for the canopy, although I am not happy with the overall shape of the mesh, and I need to rework it. I've also finished the panel rough in on the connecting wing frame and the cockpit reinforcements. As all four sets have minor but distinct cutaway differences, I have to adjust them individually. I've begin to model the 'pods' on the sides of the engine, although I need to conceive and model the braces joining them to the wing frame. These pods will also have laminate panels (most of the ship is covered in raised panel sections). I also added, upon consideration 72 panels to represent the gear 'teeth' on the cockpit pod.

    Vert count(thus far): 8500

    Enjoy!
    Sean

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  12. wedge

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    I just love it ! I want it more and more with every new picture :p
  13. Millenniumfalsehood

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    FYI, the canopy hinges up, not forward. But if that's a personal choice, then far be it from me to let my nit-picky-ness spoil your kit. :mrgreen:

    It looks incredible at any rate. :thumb:
  14. Tirick

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    Having no canonical record of the canopy hinging, I went with what made sense to me. There is a narrow bonnet (in the studio model) that frames the forward part of the cockpit envelope. There is no space there for a hinged canopy to swing up. There is also no mechanism (or even room for one) in the upper part of the cockpit that I can see. There is however ample room in the front 'v' section as shown in my mesh.

    To be honest, I'm not certain the studio model canopy even opens. There certainly does not appear to even be canopy glass.

    The picture is a copy of the one found here with an arrow to the area I mean.

    A little creative discussion never hurts though... :D

    Sean

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  15. Tirick

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    Brief update:

    I took the problem of the hinge form to some of my design engineering friends and came up with a final solution; good or bad, right or wrong, its what I'm going with. Feel free to modify your own once the release is out.

    We took a look at the long braces on the sides of the canopy and tried to image what purpose they served. They really are in the bloody way, at about 20 degrees into the FOV for the pilot, and they are wide, long, seemingly purposeless braces. What my friend posed is the question: what if they were not part of the canopy, but rather part of the frame? The idea, to me, was a stunning realization. If it is so, it opens the canopy motion up to a much more confined hinge, and explains the purpose for the bar (which I had always wondered at). It also limits the potential binding at the corners of the forward openings, which are really acute angles on the curvature. The angle shown is a 110 deg rotation, which is more than sufficient to allow the pilot climb clearance.

    I know, no canonical support that the bridges are divided, but hell, there is no canonical support for the canopy even opening, or support for the notion that there is even transparisteel protecting the pilot. All other fighter/ship models have obvious clear coverings as an integral part of the canopy: except this one!

    Enjoy!
    Sean

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  16. Millenniumfalsehood

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    Well, the canon states that whatever is not contradicted by the movies is canon, and Lucasfilm advised Hans Jenssen to change his illustration in the Complete Cross-Sections from a forward hinged canopy to a tradition rear-hinged one:

    But then, nobody ever said that continuity (the thing which keeps information like 15-meter tall AT-ATs and 5km long Executors around) was logical. I actually prefer the forward-hinging canopy myself, but I have seen the images referenced in the book, and they do indeed show the canopy hinging up instead of forward.

    I would keep it the way you have it though. It looks better at least than the canonical canopy.

    The idea that they are part of the frame is indeed intriguing. Kind of like the Y-wing bomber's divided canopy. However, I would hinge the lower pane on one side to facilitate ease of ingress/egress.
  17. Tirick

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    True true; SW canon is a little more forgiving; I've read too much Curtis Saxon and Robert Brown (not that I'd dare disparage either of those fine gentlemen). I am most likely to design gear that is symmetrical, allowing a landing on either side for ease of the pilot's comfort (and the likely cramped landing areas a rebel transport can offer). A side-hinged side panel could work certainly. I will probably leave those two sections unjoined (to the cockpit interior) in the mesh to allow the assembler to fashion it as they please.

    :D I just watched the 'X-Wing' B-wing landing sequence (from a link on the other forum); I know they show the canopy hinging up (so does Hasbro), but I just can't see it from the model. The 'V' point is just too hard to hinge off of, and a wider hinge set would still cause binding. They also appear to have one of the side 'fuel pods' being used as landing skid. Novel, but wrong I think.
  18. ekuth

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    This is going to be a stunning model!

    I agree with the forward canopy hinge point; the rear hinge never made any damn sense to me.

    Think airflow too: With a front opening (rear hinge) canopy, if the catch broke your canopy would go flying off. With the rear opening (front hinge) canopy, the airflow would hold the canopy shut...

    My 2c anyway. sign1
  19. Tirick

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    I certainly hope so, I worry that it seems to be coming so smoothly thus far! :)

    I mucked about a bit with the mesh and started to model the main wing and S-Foils. Not really much of an update, but she's really starting to take the shape of the B-wing nicely.

    Again, most of these wings will be covered in greeble and laminate panels, which I have yet to model. I want to rough much of the model in, then focus on basic assembly and fit-up before tackling the details.

    Enjoy!
    Sean

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  20. Millenniumfalsehood

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    Canon or not, this model is like sci-fi modeler porn. :twisted:

    Keep the updates coming!