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this plan = going for it :) Galen, Thanks for sketching that out. I was trying to figure out the perspective you were talking about and just couldn't do it. I'll tweak it a bit and see how much extra room I can get for the aisles. I never knew coal got washed and oiled?! How funny! I'll have...

I looked around but couldn't find any pictures of Robert Smaus' design. It dates back to 1990/91 in Model Railroader...I suppose I could try to find a back issue :) I'll look into the Portland aggregate line. Thanks for the suggestions! I hope you are feeling better soon, Galen.

Oh man, that's some NICE examples! I especially like Dockside Mk1. That would fit into the east side closet space as a staging area, or I could use it...or...damn. More to think about and play with! How in the world does anyone actually BUILD anything when there are so many choices to consider...

Could you show me which curves you would consider changing to 22"? I know the access would be a bit tight, but I'm torn about sacrificing the 24" curves for a couple extra inches. I had a wicked idea about using the north end of the closet for a staging area for the incoming & outgoing...

What do you think of this? I messed with your first layout...it's cropped a bit on the bottom to make it the right dimensions to post here, so add about 9" of track to the bottom of the intermodal yard... the double main line will run into tunnels on the west wall and look like they keep going...

Russ, They are called "Vika Artur". The numbers on the box are: 880.574.09 and 18229 (dunno which is the P/N) I bought 8 of them figuring I'd use two per table top and they make a pretty darn stable frame.

Pics! Here are pics of the room and the practice layout I'm goofing around with to keep me entertained while I build the "real" one :) This shows the right side of a simple loop with the turnouts I'm using to store my locos: Here's the whole loop on two 48" x 48" tables...there's another one...

I'll try to get some pictures this weekend. What do you use to make them small enough to post here? Every time I try to post a picture it's either too big dimensionally or too big in kb :(

Uh oh.... did not think of a work area at all! :( I guess I'd have to use something like shelving under the frame? I think I'd rather have trackage that is useful most, if not all, of the time. I want to be able to do switching in a yard, drop off empties and pick up fulls at mines, move...

The window sill sticks out about 1", but the blinds, when open, stick out 4" from the wall. So, it would be advantageous to leave a wee bit of room for them or it will either be a permanent cave or always open to whatever the prevailing outside light conditions are.

Galen, Here is my electronic version: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r16/insinu8/Galen1.gif I'm curious about your "more realistic" option :)

Thanks for the plan, Galen :) I like that there would be no crawling under for this. Do you think it is just too small a space to have three industries and a yard? Would it make any difference if I reclaim the extra 2' on the north and south walls that is currently closet space? I thought about...

I work on new plans every day, it just takes a while, so I totally understand! No worries :) Yah, I really got into it and it kept growing and growing. I need to simplify things a bit(or maybe a LOT!) and try it out...but that idea of going around the walls to get up and down to other levels...

and now for something completely different! Look, ma, no loops! http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r16/insinu8/Picture1-1.png I decided to see what i could do with an around the room layout. This has better access all the way around from the inside, but you still would have to duck under the...

Les, I've tried to model using 22" curves and I can get all the way around the room. I have to figure out what the elevation change will be around that distance. I'd be pretty happy if I could keep it to 2% grade, and that shouldn't be a problem. A yard at either end with some industries on the...

Galen, I'm open to options. I'd like to have one route or another running a loop, but anything else can be point to point like coal/gravel/intermodal -> dock or wherever. I've been trying to work out an 18" radius loop for the coal and gravel and a 22" radius loop for the intermodal stuff...

Les, That's a great idea about using the whole length of flex track to stagger the curve joints. I've got this symmetry fixation so that would never have occurred to me! Chris

Zedob, I'm planning to use a mix of sectional and flex track because of the easement problems I've faced so far. Do you mean the crossing would be an under & over? Chris

BigJim, I've been here for 7 years now and have no plans for an exodus any time soon, barring marriage and the follow-up demand for buying a house or something crazy like that. But she likes trains too, so I'm good in any case :) I came up with something similar last night, but I still can't...

Les, A yard would be wonderful (and something I'd like), but I can't seem to figure out how to fit it anywhere. I think I'll need to either lose one of the industries I want (disappointing) to gain some extra space. OR A multi-level layout is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how to model...