Small but nice fishing boat...

zathros

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I've seen this before. It is a nice ship/fishing/cargo boat. Good of you to showcase it again. ;)
 

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Thank you for sharing this with us!
I have downloaded it. It looks like you could add some greebles to it as well.
 

lizzienewell

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Interesting. The boat looks odd to my Alaskan eyes. I looks like it's probably a seiner. But around here the boom and hold are usually on the stern not the prow. I assume that's the prow to the right. The boom looks to me like it's gong the wrong way. I'm not sure how the seine net would be deployed or pulled in. And I'm not sure where the bridge/wheel house is located. Okay judging by the funnels, the left side is the prow but that makes for a weird looking stern. This probably has to do with regional differences in boat design. I looked up photos of the original. It looks as if the wheelhouse/bridge is in the part sticking up in the middle. In the photos the boom isn't shown going over the roof of the bridge. The prow is to the right. I'm still not sure what they did with the boom. The shrouds seem to be in the way.
Thanks for sharing. I had a good time looking at boats.
 

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These were small cargo boats, and they were deployed in war time, that's why they have machine guns on them. The boom is really to help stop roll more than anything else. it's also a crane, to mount goods into the Hold, the boom arm can go almost vertical, the Hold is just below the boom. These boats had a very deep keep, which made them seaworthy. 2/3'ds of the boat is underwater. In reality, the shroud was probably a bit more forward, but not by much, next do a dock, that boom extended pretty far out, once tied, with multiple pulleys, they could put the "goods" in however they needed to, as long as it they through the hold opening. Much smuggling was done in boats like these. Too small to be bothered. To small to be of much use once commercial Hauling was safe, many were converted into pleasure craft, of if steel, broken up for scrap. ;)
 

lizzienewell

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The seiners around here have the boom(crane) going the other way, forward of the hold and both are aft of the deckhouse. The boom has a big pinch block which pulls in the net. The difference must be that the boom on the MFV was used to load and unload cargo, and the boom on a seiner is to pull in the seine net. Also cargo loading and unloading on the MFV would be done in the the calm waters of a port. With the seiners this this might be done while on high seas, thus the advantage putting hold, boom, and work area on the back where it's more protected instead of the front of the boat. This might also be part of how the wheelhouse/bridge of boats at one time as at the stern, because that's were you steer from. In modern times the bridge/wheelhouse is in the front, more like on a car or aircraft for better visibility.
I"m not sure how many seiners are being used for smuggling. If I did know then Coast Guard would know as well.
 

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I doubt any of these old cargo boats exist. They were from the WWII era. A lot survived to be used in the Mediterranean, but I imagine they are all gone by now. Could you imagine trying to handle something like that on the high seas, with the Pilot house in the back!! I have sailed 10 meter sailing boats, which are piloted from the rear cockpit, but since you are completely exposed, and the decks are so low, it's a different experience, than from what I have sailed.

My sailboat experience came on a Pearson 10 Meter (33' feet x 12'6" Beam, with a 6'foot 9"inch solid lead fin keel) she could be was quite a handful, as not having a full keel, you always were making sure she was on course, of course, this ship really could sail closed hauled into the wind, more than many others I have sailed. The telltales always tell you what the sail is doing.. This boat hand a 50 foot mast, 150 Genoa , with roller furling, and a fully battened mainsail (Marconi rigged), 3/8th Mainstays, with chainplates anchored to the keel, a true full displacement blue water boat. It slept 6 people, quite crudely, but comfortable. We had a huge Blooper sail for it too, for downwind runs. :)

The pics below show the Hull line and the last one is how she looked on the water (not the exact boat, same model). 5 years of great sailing sometimes thrilling, fun.

People used to ask me if flying was safer than sailing. I always felt that things happened fast in planes, you got into trouble quick, but could get out quick. With ships like these, you could be beyond hope before you realized it, and there were things in the water that could eat you when you finally sunk. Nothing in the air to eat you, and you always had a chance to make a powerless safe landing.. Not so with these boats, if they got full of water, they sunk, and not very slowly either. I had close calls in both, got air and sea sick, though when sick in the air, you have to swallow whatever comes up, gross, but true, the alternative is even worse. :)

10 Meter Pearson.jpg 6363107_2Pearson 10 Meter side.jpg Spittin Image.jpg
 

lizzienewell

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The DC,
I'm on a writing critique website and critiqued a story with a fishing boat(steam drifter) in it. It did a bit a research, which was fun, and now have a better understanding of this type of boat. With a steam drifter, the engine and boilers are mid-ship and take up a lot of space. This might be why the work deck is forward instead of aft the pilot house. I theorize that with a modern seiner the engine takes up less space and so both the hold and engine fit behind the pilot house. I'm not sure if the boat shown is driven by steam or diesel, but it has the layout of a steam drifter.
I passed along the links to this model. I love it when I can pass along information.
 

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Looking at the picture posted, the engine is definitely behind the wheel house. I love boats too. I love lofting the hulls. I got to do some volunteer work on the "H.M.S. Rose" renamed "The Surprise", after used in the movie, "Master and Commander:The Far Side". I also volunteered some time on the Charles Morgan at Mystic Seaport, helping with the tooling on a clinker built work boat, for the old whaler.



The "Rose" (renamed "Surprise):
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The "Rose" was offered to Connecticut for "Free" if it would make it the state ship (it did some work, tall ships aren't easy to maintain). The State Government said since that ship purposefully killed a farmer with a Cannonball during the Revolutionary War, it deemed it inappropriate. They were using him for target process. Really nasty if you think about it. I kind of understand this, though keeping ships as war booty is nothing new. The Coast Cuard's Tall Ship "Eagle" is war booty from WWII Germany, Russia has it's sister ship.

ship_cutter_EAGLE.jpg
 

THE DC

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The DC,
I'm on a writing critique website and critiqued a story with a fishing boat(steam drifter) in it. It did a bit a research, which was fun, and now have a better understanding of this type of boat. With a steam drifter, the engine and boilers are mid-ship and take up a lot of space. This might be why the work deck is forward instead of aft the pilot house. I theorize that with a modern seiner the engine takes up less space and so both the hold and engine fit behind the pilot house. I'm not sure if the boat shown is driven by steam or diesel, but it has the layout of a steam drifter.
I passed along the links to this model. I love it when I can pass along information.




That's interesting!


I just got back from a week's run about new England and visited the Salem shipyards and piers.


I wonder if anyone has ever made a paper model of a privateer of the 1812 period; like the Lindberg Sandpiper plastic model kit?
 

THE DC

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The DC,
I'm on a writing critique website and critiqued a story with a fishing boat(steam drifter) in it. It did a bit a research, which was fun, and now have a better understanding of this type of boat. With a steam drifter, the engine and boilers are mid-ship and take up a lot of space. This might be why the work deck is forward instead of aft the pilot house. I theorize that with a modern seiner the engine takes up less space and so both the hold and engine fit behind the pilot house. I'm not sure if the boat shown is driven by steam or diesel, but it has the layout of a steam drifter.
I passed along the links to this model. I love it when I can pass along information.




You ought to share your critique too!
 

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When I hear the word "Sandbagger", ships like the ones below come to mind, too much sail, small hull, and they exceed their displacement speed, making them very unstable, which is why they added sandbags for more ballast. :)

Wonga and Vuna Varuna racing on sydney harbour.jpg
 

lizzienewell

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When I hear the word "Sandbagger", ships like the ones below come to mind, too much sail, small hull, and they exceed their displacement speed, making them very unstable, which is why they added sandbags for more ballast. :)

As a kid I had a lot of fun with a rowboat with oversized ors. Unstable but fun jus the same.
 

THE DC

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I took a pic of a drydock in Boston on a recent road trip that fits both your thread contributions!


Also, the stern of a nearby ship I spied in the twenty degree weather...




Too bad more paper model schooners aren't available. They were staple of shipping, piracy, and privateering for decades...
 

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lizzienewell

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If only there were more time, I'd do a schooner. You could draft your own. I like the design more than the building. Start with the keel plate down the middle, then add ribs. I start with a low number of ribs and add more as I refine the design. Or you can do monocoque, but that takes more precission.
 
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